Leonard or Robinson - Who had faster hands? - Page 3

JohnThomas1 · 10-10-2007, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by john garfield

For pure blurring speed, I'd give the edge to Leonard, but most were shoeshines to get out of trouble or catch the judges eyes. Every shot in an SRR combo was meant to flatten.

Thanks John, i was guessing similar.

JohnThomas1 · 10-10-2007, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveTheWave

Consider weight; sure, Robinson was a middle for the footage we've seen, but as an example he was 154 or 155 in the ring the night of the last LaMotta fight. That's about what most welters weigh in the ring on the night of the fight anyway. Robinson didn't weigh in at 160 for that one. Also, Leonard slightly faster, but not enough to make much of a difference.

Didn't they come in at the chosen weight basically back in SRR's day? I thought weigh in times etc were different.

JohnThomas1 · 10-10-2007, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbi

De La Hoya is just as quick as Leonard.

No way in the world.

JohnThomas1 · 10-10-2007, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Stonehands89

Incidentally, in terms of fast twitch fibers, I'd give Hearns the edge over both Rays.

Emmanuel often commented how overlooked Hearns speed was and said it was pivotal vs Duran not to mention Leonard.

Senya13 · 10-10-2007, 03:10 AM

Amateur Leonard had argueably the 2nd or 3rd fastest hands I've seen (behind Meldrick and argueably behind Jones). The footage of Robinson as an amateur or at welter (not much is available, but there's still some footage to estimate his handspeed) wasn't as impressive.

SugarRay · 10-10-2007, 03:22 AM

Leonard's appear to be quicker but, it could be the due to advances in cameras, which could record movement more accurately. However, Robinson's was more accurate, which had more devastating effects.

werety · 10-10-2007, 04:09 AM

I kinda agree with stonehands upon watching leonard hearns again. In this fight leonard is forced to throw his hardest punches and none of his fancy flurries. He still looks extremely fast, but hearns looks just as fast to me, if not faster. Hard to put robinson in the mix with lack of film though.

Stonehands89 · 10-10-2007, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by werety

I kinda agree with stonehands upon watching leonard hearns again. In this fight leonard is forced to throw his hardest punches and none of his fancy flurries. He still looks extremely fast, but hearns looks just as fast to me, if not faster. Hard to put robinson in the mix with lack of film though.

Robinson is tough. Film quality is not as colorful, literally and the camera was set at a distance. Compare Tyson's film to Louis's... Tyson has the advantage of a microphone in the ring, close-up angles and bristling color. Poor Louis is grainy, gray, and with fake sound effects.

Robbi · 10-10-2007, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnThomas1

No way in the world.

Yes way in the world. De La Hoya's handspeed at times compares to Leonard's, and Mosley's early welterweight days maybe even quicker.

JohnThomas1 · 10-10-2007, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbi

Yes way in the world. De La Hoya's handspeed at times compares to Leonard's, and Mosley's early welterweight days maybe even quicker.

We're seeing two totally different things, but each to their own i guess.

ThinBlack · 10-10-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbi

Yes way in the world. De La Hoya's handspeed at times compares to Leonard's, and Mosley's early welterweight days maybe even quicker.

Howard Davis Jr. and Bernard Taylor was faster than either De La Hoya or Mosley, and I'm apt to say that Camacho was also.

mr. magoo · 10-10-2007, 09:24 AM

Although his prime was very short, I seem to remember Meldrick Taylor having very quick hands in his early days. The Courtney Hooper and Chavez fights come to mind.

achillesthegreat · 10-10-2007, 03:00 PM

Leonard was a bit faster and Robinson a bit more powerful. It evens out when thinking of speed to power ratio.

cuchulain · 10-10-2007, 03:59 PM

Leonard, if it matters.

George W Hedge · 10-10-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by China_hand_Joe

Personal memories from 50 years ago are not the way to go mate.

Its actually the only way to go mate because for some ****ed up annoying reason we have got more or less 0 footage of the best ever boxer in his best ever weight & we have footage from before srr at 147.

It deeply saddens yet angers me at the same time.

10-10-2007, 03:10 AM	#35
Senya13 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Russia Posts: 3,335 vCash: 1210	Re: Leonard or Robinson - Who had faster hands? Amateur Leonard had argueably the 2nd or 3rd fastest hands I've seen (behind Meldrick and argueably behind Jones). The footage of Robinson as an amateur or at welter (not much is available, but there's still some footage to estimate his handspeed) wasn't as impressive.
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10-10-2007, 03:22 AM	#36
SugarRay Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 321 vCash: 1000	Re: Leonard or Robinson - Who had faster hands? Leonard's appear to be quicker but, it could be the due to advances in cameras, which could record movement more accurately. However, Robinson's was more accurate, which had more devastating effects. Last edited by SuzieQ49; 07-26-2006 at 12:20 PM.
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10-10-2007, 04:09 AM	#37
werety Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 405 vCash: 1000	Re: Leonard or Robinson - Who had faster hands? I kinda agree with stonehands upon watching leonard hearns again. In this fight leonard is forced to throw his hardest punches and none of his fancy flurries. He still looks extremely fast, but hearns looks just as fast to me, if not faster. Hard to put robinson in the mix with lack of film though.
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