Danny Green vs. a prime Jeff Harding at LHW

[Sandman_]

Originally Posted by JOSEY WALES

Danny ain't fought anyone near the class of Dennis Andries or Mike McCallum let alone beaten or hung at their level .

Let's be fair dinkum about where Dennis Andries (and then Harding) rated in the light heavy mix back in the day.

They were both behind Virgil Hill (Olympic silver medalist & long time WBA champ), Michael Moorer (WBO champ & future heavyweight champion) & Prince Charles Williams (IBF champ who dethroned Bobby Czyz).

Andries was strong & could punch but he was a crude brawler who lacked Green's hand speed & skills.

So Jeffrey beat the fourth best light heavy in the world at the time in 2 of 3 fights. He got kayoed in their second fight.

We can discount the loss to Mike McCallum as Jeffrey had long stretches of inactivity leading up to it where he couldn't get fights. Inactivity beat him against McCallum, not McCallum himself (who was never really a light heavy).

Green fought Eric Lucas, Markus Beyer (twice), Stipe Drews & Mundine. I'd probably rate Dennis Andries as slightly better than that lot (he was certainly physically stronger & punched harder) but not by much.

[Sandman_]

Originally Posted by maco_187

jeff harding is one of the top few aussie fighters that can generally say they were in the top 3 of there division for a while, he was an excellent pressure fighter, unreal chin which never ever looked like getting him stopped and when he was hurt his recuperation was amazing, watching the war with andries really has given me massive respect for him, he just would get on the inside and give green headaches all night although green would land some decent shots too, harding will win a ud and a pretty big one, id back harding against mundine too, maybe briggs might cause some problems for harding

The highest Jeffrey was ever rated in the light heavyweight division was fourth behind Virgil Hill (WBA champ), Michael Moorer (WBO champ) & Prince Charles Williams (IBF champ).

I think Harding would have kayoed Briggs & been even money against Danny Green.

There are certainly plenty of nights in Danny Green's career when Harding would have kayoed him but if we are talking about them both being at their best, Green's superiority in terms of skills and hand speed is significant.

As for a fight with Mundine, let's not go there. Presumably Anthony would not be allowed to cling to him like a limpet as he did in the Antwun Echols fight.

[JOSEY WALES]

Originally Posted by Sandman_

Let's be fair dinkum about where Dennis Andries (and then Harding) rated in the light heavy mix back in the day.

They were both behind Virgil Hill (long time WBA-champ), Michael Moorer (WBO champ & future heavyweight champion) & Prince Charles Williams (IBF champ who dethroned Bobby Czyz).

Andries was strong & could punch but he was a crude brawler who lacked Green's hand speed & skills.

So Jeffrey beat the fourth best light heavy in the world at the time in 2 of 3 fights. He got kayoed in their second fight.

We can discount the loss to Mike McCallum fight as Jeffrey had long stretches of inactivity leading up to it where he couldn't get fights. Inactivity beat him against McCallum, not McCallum himself (who was never really a light heavy).

Green fought Eric Lucas, Markus Beyer (twice), Stipe Drews & Mundine. I'd probably rate Dennis Andries as slightly better than that lot (he was certainly physically stronger & punched harder) but not by much.

McCallum was a decent enough Light Heavyweight to go the 12 with Roy Jones Jr back in Jones's prime so yes i would say he is a relevant opponent and please don't ever say Dennis Andries just about scrapes it above the likes of Marcus Beyer and Stripe fucking Drews as it makes you look silly .

[Bentchassis]

Originally Posted by Sandman_

The highest Jeffrey was ever rated in the light heavyweight division was fourth behind Virgil Hill (WBA champ), Michael Moorer (WBO champ) & Prince Charles Williams (IBF champ).

I think Harding would have kayoed Briggs & been even money against Danny Green.

There are certainly plenty of nights in Danny Green's career when Harding would have kayoed him but if we are talking about them both being at their best, Green's superiority in terms of skills and hand speed is significant.

As for a fight with Mundine, let's not go there. Presumably Anthony would not be allowed to cling to him like a limpet as he did in the Antwun Echols fight.

Agree with pretty much everything you've said, but as I rate Adamek higher than Andries plus I think Briggs has that same tough prick gene Harding has, i'd go with Briggs, out of interest why do you think Harding?

[Sandman_]

Originally Posted by JOSEY WALES

McCallum was a decent enough Light Heavyweight to go the 12 with Roy Jones Jr back in Jones's prime so yes i would say he is a relevant opponent and please don't ever say Dennis Andries just about scrapes it above the likes of Marcus Beyer and Stripe fucking Drews as it makes you look silly .

There's nothing silly about telling it like it was, Josey.

Dennis Andries was nothing special but I'm happy to acknowledge he was better than the other blokes.

[Sandman_]

Originally Posted by Bentchassis

Agree with pretty much everything you've said, but as I rate Adamek higher than Andries plus I think Briggs has that same tough prick gene Harding has, i'd go with Briggs, out of interest why do you think Harding?

I think Harding could take what Briggs would put on him but I'm not sure that Briggs would take what Harding would put on him (in terms of sustained pressure & the need to fight for the full three minutes of every round). If he could, he'd probably win.

I agree that Adamek was probably a better fighter than Dennis Andries. Andries' win over Bobby Czyz probably entitles him to be rated a little better than what I've given him credit for above.

[JOSEY WALES]

Originally Posted by Sandman_

There's nothing silly about telling it like it was, Josey.

Dennis Andries was nothing special but I'm happy to acknowledge he was better than the other blokes.

If that's how you see it" like it is" then fair enough its all a matter of opinion anyway but Stipe Drews best wins was Branco and Brancalion and Andries best win's were Harding & Czyz Beyer was a shit champ and Mundine is a paper one up until now so the way i see it" like it is" is that Andies was a totally different level fighter to the level you have him on .

[JOSEY WALES]

Just saw your last sentence when talking to Chassis lol ...No Probs i should learn to read before typing long posts ...lol

[Bentchassis]

Originally Posted by Sandman_

I think Harding could take what Briggs would put on him but I'm not sure that Briggs would take what Harding would put on him (in terms of sustained pressure & the need to fight for the full three minutes of every round). If he could, he'd probably win.

I agree that Adamek was probably a better fighter than Dennis Andries. Andries' win over Bobby Czyz probably entitles him to be rated a little better than what I've given him credit for above.

No worries. I've got Briggs beating Green etc but happy with Harding being a tough fight for either. In regards to Green though, Harding wouldnt let him breath and I doubt Danny's faced that sort of pressure, be interesting to see how Green would cope. I'll stick with what I know of Harding over what I don't know of Green.

[kel]

I just can't believe how overated Green is in some people's minds............... it's fuck'n scary.

[TheDuke]

Originally Posted by kel

I just can't believe how overated Green is in some people's minds............... it's fuck'n scary.

Yes I tend to agree. Green's best win is against Eric Lucas right? It's not exactly the stuff of legends

[Rise Above]

Harding by decision. I'm surprised so many people are picking Green.

[dawsosj]

the thing about dannny is that hes dangerous for every single round of the fight eg in the beyer rematch he very nearly knocked beyer out in the twelth so you would never be able to completely write him off

[Dr Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Rise Above

Harding by decision. I'm surprised so many people are picking Green.

its silly

it would be a good fight but Harding is clearly better, he beat and faced better competition in a relatively short career and would take it 8-4 IMO

[pecks]

Originally Posted by Sandman_

There's nothing silly about telling it like it was, Josey.

Dennis Andries was nothing special but I'm happy to acknowledge he was better than the other blokes.

He's still considerably better than Markus Beyer though.

I picked Harding. Danny has never really been in the ring with a big banger, so all the talk about him being iron chinned is a bit of a myth in my opinion.