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Old 12-02-2010, 02:31 AM   #91
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HDNet does have the World GP Final scheduled to air live (unlike the World MAX Final).

Take a nap Friday evening. It's penciled in from 2-7am EST.
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Old 12-02-2010, 07:54 PM   #92
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K-1 looks to be in huge huge trouble

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Old 12-03-2010, 05:06 AM   #93
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That reads very ominous. If K-1 goes DREAM is also finished. And so is Japanese MMA.... Very bad news for K-1 fans much less for MMA. There is no other premier KickBoxing Organisation in the world.
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Old 12-03-2010, 09:01 AM   #94
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All is clearly not well at FEG but while Zach Arnold was one of the first western sources to bring up the Pride yazuka scandle he's also well known to be a doom merchant, probabley because he's a Japanese Pro Wretsling fan who dislikes MMA for the damage it did to it.
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Old 12-03-2010, 04:25 PM   #95
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As long as K-1 remains, it's all fine for me. I don't think K-1 would vanish anyways ... how did they do it back in 1993? They could even go back to that format.
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Old 12-04-2010, 05:00 AM   #96
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All is clearly not well at FEG but while Zach Arnold was one of the first western sources to bring up the Pride yazuka scandle he's also well known to be a doom merchant, probabley because he's a Japanese Pro Wretsling fan who dislikes MMA for the damage it did to it.
Na thats not true. Arnold was being laughed at when the Pride scandal broke. He kept saying how it was the beginning of the end and Pride was basically finished yet the likes of sherdog and others ignored it. I remember when Pride lost there TV deal and Sherdog didnt say a thing.

K-1 at the moment reminds me of when New Japn Pro-wrestling was having a bad time. Less than 4 weeks before the biggest show of the year and it doesnt have a finalised card. Thats insane. Nobody wants K-1 to fail but the signs are not good. Lets not forget we still have fighters like Goodridge who say they have not been paid.
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Old 12-04-2010, 06:28 AM   #97
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Na thats not true. Arnold was being laughed at when the Pride scandal broke. He kept saying how it was the beginning of the end and Pride was basically finished yet the likes of sherdog and others ignored it. I remember when Pride lost there TV deal and Sherdog didnt say a thing.

K-1 at the moment reminds me of when New Japn Pro-wrestling was having a bad time. Less than 4 weeks before the biggest show of the year and it doesnt have a finalised card. Thats insane. Nobody wants K-1 to fail but the signs are not good. Lets not forget we still have fighters like Goodridge who say they have not been paid.
The thing is he's been saying its the beginning of the end for just about every peice of negative news over the past 5 years. So while things are clearly not well with FEG I don't really put too much stock in his analysis.

As far as Dynamite goes while there are clearly problems the card not being finalized a month beforehand is not uncommon at al(although you would expect 1-2 matches to have been)l. Last minute booking at leaking matches one at a time to get press interest have been part of NYE MMA for years.
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Old 12-07-2010, 08:11 AM   #98
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K-1 claims that they will announce 10 fights for their Dynamite event (12/31 Saitama Super Arena) after their 12/11 Ariake Colosseum event takes place in Tokyo. I find this news to be curious because a week ago the company line issued to certain individuals is that they weren’t going to focus on Dynamite until after the Ariake Colosseum event. How things change.

K-1 says that they will talk to Satoshi Ishii’s management this week to see if they can get him booked for the Dynamite event. At this past weekend’s IGF (Inoki) event in Tokyo at Ryogoku Kokugikan, disgraced former Sumo wrestler Wakakirin is now Inoki’s Japanese ace in IGF and said he wanted to fight at the Dynamite event. Both Ishii and Wakakirin are aligned on the Inoki side of politics. A stranger sidebar to the Dynamite discussion is a PR stunt by K-1 to tease whether or not disgraced Livedoor boss Takafumi Horie (who’s now in the porn business) will appear at the Saitama Super Arena event.

The situation for K-1 on New Year’s Eve is critical. They need Tokyo Broadcasting System a lot more than TBS needs them, despite the attitude on display by some of “what else is TBS going to air that will draw just as well on NYE?” The truth is that as K-1 loses more power, TBS gains more control. TBS will continue to gain influence over K-1 as a company until they get tired of Kazuyoshi Ishii and pull the plug. Low ratings can have that effect on a relationship. The position K-1 is in going into New Year’s Eve is horrible. They will have less than three weeks to promote a show at a major arena with a rumored card line-up that, so far, has little or no relevance to the Japanese public at hand. Bibiano Fernandes vs. Hiroyuki Takaya, Kazushi Sakuraba vs. Marius Zaromskis, and Josh Thomson vs. Crusher Kawajiri all are DREAM-level fights but they do not come across as fights that a Japanese television executive would book for ratings, right?

(It should be noted that the original rumor for Dynamite matchmaking a few weeks ago was a fight between Sakuraba and Akebono.)
What’s been so fascinating about this year’s Dynamite show is that all the action has taken place behind the scenes. TBS holds all the cards. It would seem unlikely, at this point, that a pay-for-play deal was reached, but who knows? A barter deal (advertising split), should K-1 manage to somehow get a limited time frame on the network for NYE, would make the most sense. The problem is attracting significant sponsorship dollars. We’re far too late into the game here.

When one looks at the historical purpose of the New Year’s Eve big fight show (started by DSE & Antonio Inoki in 2000 at the Osaka Dome), the purpose was to attack the establishment. The establishment, in this case, was NHK’s traditional NYE powerhouse Kohaku. Inoki, PRIDE, and K-1 positioned themselves as the rebels challenging the status quo and proving that the Japanese fight game is the strongest in the world. It was a showcase for top Japanese stars and for developing new Japanese aces. Inoki brought the pro-wrestling marketing sense and stars from New Japan, PRIDE brought the major-league production values, and K-1 brought the juice through their television connections.

Look at the Dynamite franchise now, 10 years later. The juice is gone. If K-1 can get the event aired on TV, that is somehow considered a victory in this current climate. You would have never imagined that scenario, even three years ago. And… the fights being leaked so far in the press are intriguing but not for the reasons you would expect. Josh Thomson vs. Crusher Kawajiri is a fight that Scott Coker wants to see, but can you honestly say the mainstream public in Japan cares? No, which is why I think it’s fascinating to see that some of the fights that could end up getting booked on Dynamite will end up having more consequence on the matchmaking outside of K-1 rather than in the promotion’s own booking scenario.

I am reminded of a discussion Dave Meltzer had with Bryan Alvarez after the Strikeforce show in St. Louis last weekend in which they criticized Strikeforce for not announcing fights for their 1/29 San Jose event during the Showtime telecast. The word that kept popping up was ‘mindboggling.’ Was it because Josh Barnett couldn’t get re-licensed? Was it because Gilbert Melendez’s hand injury hasn’t healed up in time to book a trilogy fight against Josh Thomson? Those were the questions being asked in the discussion. That discussion led to a larger discussion about how much Showtime controls Strikeforce at this point as an MMA property and that Showtime has certain ideas and values as to how to book events. Dave claims that the reason Strikeforce preliminary fights aren’t shown on Showtime is because Showtime believes that since they are a premium cable channel that, unless you are already an established MMA star, you shouldn’t get air time on their channel as a nobody. “Airing prelims, that is a UFC move,” is how Dave described Showtime’s attitude on the matter. Strikeforce can put on good shows, but they are at the mercy of Showtime at this point.

Which is, ironically, the position Strikeforce’s Japanese partner, K-1, is in now with TBS. This is not a political position that Ishii ever thought he would find himself in. Even if TBS decides to air Dynamite, the big issue is money. If TBS doesn’t have to pay much money for the telecast, how will K-1 survive financially? All eyes are on this Saturday’s Ariake Colosseum event and whether or not K-1 can draw a good enough rating to maintain their relationship with Fuji TV. Here’s photos from today’s workout featuring Kyotaro (Keijiro Maeda).

The relationship between Fuji TV and K-1 goes back to the beginnings of K-1 as a national player in the 90s. K-1 aired their major shows on Fuji TV and then developed B-level “K-1 Japan series” events that aired on Nippon TV. Eventually, K-1 shifted towards the World MAX events and moved from Nippon TV to TBS. For two decades, the promotion has had an incredible run of shows on three of Japan’s biggest broadcast networks. I was recently reading an article from writer Ichiro Ochiai talking about the tragedies and triumphs of the K-1 Japan series aces like Musashi, Yusuke Fujimoto, Tsuyoshi Nakasako, Hiromi Amada, Nobu Hayashi, and Tatsufumi Tomihira. The lack of new Japanese superstars is what led to the irrelevance and death of the K-1 Japan series. Heading in 2011, K-1 finds all of their television properties in danger of extinction. The company is now at the mercy of television executives.

The sad predicament K-1 is in now reminds me of another sad predicament of someone who made a name for themselves under the Dynamite banner and that’s pro-wrestler Tadao Yasuda. Yasuda become a semi-household name in Japan after choking out Jerome Le Banner. The win caused chaos in New Japan matchmaking and Yasuda would eventually win the IWGP Heavyweight title because of a match result in a shoot fight. Yesterday, in quiet fashion, Yasuda announced that he would be having a retirement show on February 4th in Tokyo at Korakuen Hall. Yasuda was the classic hard-luck story you see in pro-wrestling all the time. He made the conversion from Sumo wrestling and never really panned out as a good wrestler. His penchant for gambling away his salary on pachislo (pa*****o slot machines) was so prominent that it became the storyline used by TBS in the pre-fight clips for his 2001 Dynamite bout. His daughter was at ring side to watch him fight Le Banner. After Yasuda pulled off the upset win, he became known as “King Debtor of the Heisei era” in the media. He won the IWGP title, gambled away more money, turned heel in New Japan and became “Hollywood” Tadao Yasuda, and eventually left. He had a failed suicide attempt at his house in October of 2007. He became broke again due to gambling.

In the press report issued for his pro-wrestling retirement show, he says that he plans on moving away from Japan to head to Brazil because he’s too tempted to gamble his money away in his home country. He noted that he wants to teach Sumo wrestling. In a plea to the fans, he promised that he wouldn’t blow the money from the retirement show on gambling and that he would use it for retirement.
He’s fading off into the sunset on a predetermined date. The question is whether or not K-1 & Dynamite will fade off into the sunset shortly as well.
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Old 12-07-2010, 11:24 AM   #99
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I might actually cry if K1 falls.

With the exception of "It's Showtime!", there are no other kickboxing organizations worth watching if FEG goes under.
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Old 12-08-2010, 10:52 PM   #100
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How many are going to be troopers and stay up Friday night/Saturday morning?

This could be the last Grand Prix you get to see live, and it should not disappoint.
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Old 12-08-2010, 11:11 PM   #101
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Definitely staying up.
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:11 AM   #102
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Does anyone know where i can watch this in the UK live?

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Old 12-09-2010, 09:13 PM   #103
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Does anyone know where i can watch this in the UK live?

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Do you mean like a pub? I wasn't aware K-1 fights were well-known enough anywhere (outside maybe Japan) to be shown at public places.

Hell, we don't even really have major PPV boxing shown in bars in most parts of the US...and haven't for most of my lifetime.

If what you meant was where to watch "online", you're better off not barking up that tree, due to the forum rules here in particular.
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Old 12-09-2010, 11:23 PM   #104
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If I didn't have a commitment already early on Saturday I would totally make a late night of it! I always get a kick out of watching K1 live.

I really hope that K1 doesn't go under - but if it does - another kickboxing or MMA organization will arise to take it's place. The fighting sports have been part of the Japanese culture for the past century. Something will come along.
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Old 12-10-2010, 08:09 AM   #105
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If I didn't have a commitment already early on Saturday I would totally make a late night of it! I always get a kick out of watching K1 live.

I really hope that K1 doesn't go under - but if it does - another kickboxing or MMA organization will arise to take it's place. The fighting sports have been part of the Japanese culture for the past century. Something will come along.
Fighting sports will always be around in Japan however will we see a organisation become mainstream again and cross over? I aint so sure.

If K-1 goes under then New Japan Pro-wrestling is pretty much the biggest fight promotion in Japan and they are nowhere near as big as they used to be.
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