Bute vs. Miranda

slip&counter · 04-10-2010, 06:32 PM

As many of you will know i'm not a fan of that poster child for anti sweet science sluggers in Miranda who's everybody's coming out party. However i've also been critical of Bute and although he's more in line with my type of fighter, I could never warm to him after that Andrade fiasco, getting a 3 year pass with lack of resume with Bika and Joppy being his top 2 places of employment - weak curriculum vitae.

I think Vegas has Bute winning this fight at 4:1. Bute knows how to throw them hands and can D it up like an Italian team playing catanacho, can fight backwards and is a very good counter puncher. I see him outclassing Pantera with those leaping wild shots having a second class postage stamp on them and getting potshotted/countered like crazy.

But Bute is in protective custody and if he wins...we get to see him fight tomato cans for the next 3 years. This goes against all my principles but please pull for Miranda even though your moolah's are on the smoother fighter.

He did what he had to do and redeemed himself in Andrade II against an 8 cylinder who didn't stop firing but beyond this I'm still holding serious reservations about Bute until he shows me something more against higher level comp. Will he treat Miranda how he deserves to be treated, with disrespect? thoughts on this Canadian/Romanian fruitcake?

threethirteen · 04-10-2010, 06:43 PM

I rate Bute - I think his performance in the first Andrade fight was excellent until the last round. There'd have been as much controversy if Bute had been stopped with no time left on the clock.

His resume is ok, but nothing special. He's been consistent and I think Bika's actually a very good win. He's a tough customer who gave Calzaghe some hard work. The Andrade wins were solid, and I think he's beaten some other decent names.

He hasn't fought the best in his division, and won't until the end of the Super Six, sadly. Here's hoping. He'll beat Miranda fairly easily though.

LP_1985 · 04-10-2010, 07:28 PM

i wud say fight pavlik but imo martinez's has got his number

JonOli · 04-10-2010, 07:29 PM

I'm having problems with Bute being rated as the number 1 Super Middle right now (I mean who has he really fought?) and also how a showdown between him and the Super Six winner will decide the man.

To me, it seems kind of unfair, though I guess the Ring have got their moneyed eye on this somewhere, surley?

slip&counter · 04-11-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JonOli

I'm having problems with Bute being rated as the number 1 Super Middle right now (I mean who has he really fought?) and also how a showdown between him and the Super Six winner will decide the man.

To me, it seems kind of unfair, though I guess the Ring have got their moneyed eye on this somewhere, surley?

Yep, spot on sir Jon...no way his he the number 1 with his resume and all these other champs fighting eachother...there's just something that bugs me about Bute.

I think its the fact he thought he was too big for the super six and his fans claiming him to be the second coming of JC. Before Andrade II his biggest win came against Joppy, lol! I'm a risk manager by day and keep in shape by hitting the garage heavy bag at 100 punches for 3 mins lasting for 10 Slip rounds...what does that say about me?...not much but even I could knock out Glass Joe, sorry I mean Joppy, lol! Yeah, we'll see if this Canadian maple syrup is the real deal when he comes out of witness protection and stops feasting on soups can of the month!

theuppercut · 04-11-2010, 04:41 PM

There is no way Bute is No.1 SMW - absolutely no way. Based on fucking what??? I'd fancy Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Dirrell and Ward all to beat him. Bika, Berrio, Joppy(!!!), Zuniga and Andrada x 2. No, no, no, no, no.

But Miranda aint gonna do anything differently. As long as Bute stays out the way early doors he'll win. I don't think he'll stop him though.

Have to say that if Froch or Abraham got him in the trenches, which they would, they'd have him.

achillesthegreat · 04-11-2010, 04:45 PM

Miranda has one risk. He has been difused many times. It's a decent fight for Bute that can be sold as something bigger.

Will · 04-11-2010, 04:49 PM

In no way is Bute number 1. Based on fights I think Froch has to be there. However I can understand if people put Ward there in consideration of beating the perseeved 'man' in Kessler. But to put Bute there is insane!!!

theuppercut · 04-11-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Will

In no way is Bute number 1. Based on fights I think Froch has to be there. However I can understand if people put Ward there in consideration of beating the perseeved 'man' in Kessler. But to put Bute there is insane!!!

KingCobra · 04-11-2010, 05:00 PM

Bute has got great natural ability, handspeed and picks his shots very well... but In terms of heart and durability I'm yet to be convinced he is the real deal. He also gets caught with some stupid shots. I wouldn't place him above fourth in the division. He beats Miranda though.

TFFP · 04-11-2010, 05:04 PM

Nothing wrong with Bute's actual punch resistance. He's faced some big punchers and never had a problem. Berrio has as big of a punch as anybody, Bika and Andrade can both crack. His stamina may still have question marks over it.

He should be fine with Miranda. Just gotta watch the right hand and its easy street. Can't afford to make a mistake though, there is always a modicum of danger against this guy.

ishy · 04-11-2010, 07:25 PM

I like watching Bute, good fighter. I think he does a number on Miranda though obviously Edison is saying he's had his best training camp ever and all that but after the fight no doubt he'll have a 1001 excuses.

It'll be interesting to see what Bute does afterwards though. Obviously the biggie he's waiting for is the Super Six winner but does he play it safe until then or take a few tough fights (admittedly there's not many of these around at 168 atm what with the Super Six and all that). I hope he goes for Stieglitz and Pavlik though. But then Pavlik has to beat Maravilla first

ed7890 · 04-11-2010, 08:14 PM

Ya Bute's certainly not #1 in the division, he's getting very overrated on the GF. It's a bit unlucky for him to be stuck outside the Super 6, if he was in it I think he'd do fairly well.

He'll come through this fight alright, but what does that prove, a host of others have already gotten past Miranda, this seems like a step back.

Where does he go after this then. I doubt Pavlik is going to want to meet him, he's got decent competition to keep him busy for a while in MW. Jermaine Taylor? Maybe look for the winner/loser of Dawson vs. Pascal.

Davies · 04-11-2010, 08:18 PM

I think Bute's gunna school him, f he doesnt get sucked in to a war that is.

robpalmer135 · 04-13-2010, 06:25 AM

Just don't think Miranda can take the hear at Super Middle. At MW he was a beast.

04-10-2010, 06:32 PM	#1
slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: In that 3 feet of stew again... Posts: 16,799 vCash: 1000	Bute vs. Miranda As many of you will know i'm not a fan of that poster child for anti sweet science sluggers in Miranda who's everybody's coming out party. However i've also been critical of Bute and although he's more in line with my type of fighter, I could never warm to him after that Andrade fiasco, getting a 3 year pass with lack of resume with Bika and Joppy being his top 2 places of employment - weak curriculum vitae. I think Vegas has Bute winning this fight at 4:1. Bute knows how to throw them hands and can D it up like an Italian team playing catanacho, can fight backwards and is a very good counter puncher. I see him outclassing Pantera with those leaping wild shots having a second class postage stamp on them and getting potshotted/countered like crazy. But Bute is in protective custody and if he wins...we get to see him fight tomato cans for the next 3 years. This goes against all my principles but please pull for Miranda even though your moolah's are on the smoother fighter. He did what he had to do and redeemed himself in Andrade II against an 8 cylinder who didn't stop firing but beyond this I'm still holding serious reservations about Bute until he shows me something more against higher level comp. Will he treat Miranda how he deserves to be treated, with disrespect? thoughts on this Canadian/Romanian fruitcake?
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04-10-2010, 06:43 PM	#2
threethirteen Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,211 vCash: 1000	Re: Bute vs. Miranda I rate Bute - I think his performance in the first Andrade fight was excellent until the last round. There'd have been as much controversy if Bute had been stopped with no time left on the clock. His resume is ok, but nothing special. He's been consistent and I think Bika's actually a very good win. He's a tough customer who gave Calzaghe some hard work. The Andrade wins were solid, and I think he's beaten some other decent names. He hasn't fought the best in his division, and won't until the end of the Super Six, sadly. Here's hoping. He'll beat Miranda fairly easily though.
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04-10-2010, 07:28 PM	#3
LP_1985 JMM beat Pac-Man 3 Times East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Vicente Carrillo Fuentes Organization HQ, Home of Team Mexico Posts: 18,375 vCash: 75	Re: Bute vs. Miranda i wud say fight pavlik but imo martinez's has got his number
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04-10-2010, 07:29 PM	#4
JonOli Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 9,456 vCash: 75	Re: Bute vs. Miranda I'm having problems with Bute being rated as the number 1 Super Middle right now (I mean who has he really fought?) and also how a showdown between him and the Super Six winner will decide the man. To me, it seems kind of unfair, though I guess the Ring have got their moneyed eye on this somewhere, surley?
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04-11-2010, 04:41 PM	#6
theuppercut Blackpudding supper ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Beside my claymore Posts: 4,554 vCash: 1000	Re: Bute vs. Miranda There is no way Bute is No.1 SMW - absolutely no way. Based on fucking what??? I'd fancy Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Dirrell and Ward all to beat him. Bika, Berrio, Joppy(!!!), Zuniga and Andrada x 2. No, no, no, no, no. But Miranda aint gonna do anything differently. As long as Bute stays out the way early doors he'll win. I don't think he'll stop him though. Have to say that if Froch or Abraham got him in the trenches, which they would, they'd have him.
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04-11-2010, 04:45 PM	#7
achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,206 vCash: 1000	Re: Bute vs. Miranda Miranda has one risk. He has been difused many times. It's a decent fight for Bute that can be sold as something bigger.
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04-11-2010, 04:49 PM	#8
Will Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,198 vCash: 75	Re: Bute vs. Miranda In no way is Bute number 1. Based on fights I think Froch has to be there. However I can understand if people put Ward there in consideration of beating the perseeved 'man' in Kessler. But to put Bute there is insane!!!
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04-11-2010, 05:00 PM	#10
KingCobra IBF World Champion ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,038 vCash: 75	Re: Bute vs. Miranda Bute has got great natural ability, handspeed and picks his shots very well... but In terms of heart and durability I'm yet to be convinced he is the real deal. He also gets caught with some stupid shots. I wouldn't place him above fourth in the division. He beats Miranda though.
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04-11-2010, 05:04 PM	#11
TFFP The Eskimo East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Reykjavík Posts: 30,423 vCash: 2500	Re: Bute vs. Miranda Nothing wrong with Bute's actual punch resistance. He's faced some big punchers and never had a problem. Berrio has as big of a punch as anybody, Bika and Andrade can both crack. His stamina may still have question marks over it. He should be fine with Miranda. Just gotta watch the right hand and its easy street. Can't afford to make a mistake though, there is always a modicum of danger against this guy.
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04-11-2010, 07:25 PM	#12
ishy P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 29,113 vCash: 500	Re: Bute vs. Miranda I like watching Bute, good fighter. I think he does a number on Miranda though obviously Edison is saying he's had his best training camp ever and all that but after the fight no doubt he'll have a 1001 excuses. It'll be interesting to see what Bute does afterwards though. Obviously the biggie he's waiting for is the Super Six winner but does he play it safe until then or take a few tough fights (admittedly there's not many of these around at 168 atm what with the Super Six and all that). I hope he goes for Stieglitz and Pavlik though. But then Pavlik has to beat Maravilla first
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04-11-2010, 08:14 PM	#13
ed7890 Col. Hunter Gathers East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Galway Posts: 8,922 vCash: 1127	Re: Bute vs. Miranda Ya Bute's certainly not #1 in the division, he's getting very overrated on the GF. It's a bit unlucky for him to be stuck outside the Super 6, if he was in it I think he'd do fairly well. He'll come through this fight alright, but what does that prove, a host of others have already gotten past Miranda, this seems like a step back. Where does he go after this then. I doubt Pavlik is going to want to meet him, he's got decent competition to keep him busy for a while in MW. Jermaine Taylor? Maybe look for the winner/loser of Dawson vs. Pascal.
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04-11-2010, 08:18 PM	#14
Davies Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat Posts: 2,076 vCash: 4614	Re: Bute vs. Miranda I think Bute's gunna school him, f he doesnt get sucked in to a war that is.
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04-13-2010, 06:25 AM	#15
robpalmer135 Rage Rage East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North London Posts: 14,383 vCash: 75	Re: Bute vs. Miranda Just don't think Miranda can take the hear at Super Middle. At MW he was a beast.
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