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Old 04-19-2010, 01:36 PM   #1
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I'm an American I never saw him fight before so I figured I'd put this on the European Forum where there may be more knowledge. I read a little about him and saw that he was 48-2 and his losses were to the same guy Virgil Hill and were years apart.

He did beat several belt holders and held belts at LHWT and Cruiser

He beat guys like Dariuz M, Branco, Miller, McCallum, and Lucas

How do you rate him?
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Old 04-19-2010, 02:53 PM   #2
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I saw his fights with Mike McCallum and D. Michalczewski, maybe some other ones that I don't remember too well (like the Hill fights).

He had a very good performance against McCallum. Ok, Tiozzo fought on his home turf, but McCallum is a road warrior, and Tiozzo kept coming against the master boxer McCallum and outworked him. Tiozzo also showed some skills there. People say that McCallum was shot by then, but I can tell that he was still a tough, highly experienced and skilled fighter, even tho he was past his best. He also gave Roy Jones and Toney good fights after that. I remember that fight because of the cut glove incident, something that doesn't happen too often. I'm a big fan of Mike McCallum and he's one of the most underrated fighters from the last 30 years. James Toney said he's the best opponent he's ever faced, putting him even before Roy Jones, and Toney should know. (In my book, Roy Jones was better than McCallum, because he was so freakishly talented, but McCallum was more 'text-book' skilled and durable).

Tiozzo totally destroyed D. Michalczewski in Germany. I remember Tiozzo coming to the ring with only his belt across the waist, all alone, no robe, simple black shorts and a focused look - he did his best Tyson imitation there. To be fair, Michalczewski was shot to pieces and a KO waiting to happen..

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Old 04-20-2010, 12:03 AM   #3
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Hill absolutely blew him up with one punch. Tiozzo was a strong guy but very limited. The McCallum win was his best, but understand that McCallum was nearly 40 years old and way past it at that point.

Tiozzo's Cruiserweight reign wasn't that impressive. Nate Miller really wasn't very good, his defenses were against C-level competition and then lost the title to an ancient Virgil Hill. He came along at a very weak time in the Cruiser division, just before Jirov, Gomez, Nelson, etc.

I do give him credit for melting back down at 175 at an advanced age and winning a world title. I haven't seen any of those fights so can't comment. The one win that is also sorta interesting is his win over a young Eric Lucas. Never saw that one either.

To answer the question, from what I saw Tiozzo was a very good European-level fighter, maybe a B-level world class fighter who was for the most part managed properly and matched with opposition he could handle.
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Old 05-04-2010, 12:54 PM   #4
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Tiozzo vs Hill 2 is a good symbol of Tiozzo's career. Hill had won the rematch before the fight. Rumors about Hill's injuries had convinced Tiozzo that the fight would be postponed again. He had been lazy and stupid enough to stop his preparation.
Result : at the weigh-in it was easy to say what would happen , Tiozzo looked completely out of shape. An old Hill KOed a prime Tiozzo in 1 round with a jab, something a prime Hill had been unable to do in 12 rounds against a green Tiozzo.
About a come back : Tiozzo said he wants to fight Huck to prepare for Mormeck...
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Great fighter.
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:08 PM   #6
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Tiozzo is a dreamer, he has never been able to manage his career. Huck would annihilate him imo. But would german fans pay to see that ?
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Tiozzo is a dreamer, he has never been able to manage his career. Huck would annihilate him imo. But would german fans pay to see that ?
What, you mean now?
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:27 PM   #8
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I saw his fights with Mike McCallum and D. Michalczewski, maybe some other ones that I don't remember too well (like the Hill fights).

He had a very good performance against McCallum. Ok, Tiozzo fought on his home turf, but McCallum is a road warrior, and Tiozzo kept coming against the master boxer McCallum and outworked him. Tiozzo also showed some skills there. People say that McCallum was shot by then, but I can tell that he was still a tough, highly experienced and skilled fighter, even tho he was past his best. He also gave Roy Jones and Toney good fights after that. I remember that fight because of the cut glove incident, something that doesn't happen too often. I'm a big fan of Mike McCallum and he's one of the most underrated fighters from the last 30 years. James Toney said he's the best opponent he's ever faced, putting him even before Roy Jones, and Toney should know. (In my book, Roy Jones was better than McCallum, because he was so freakishly talented, but McCallum was more 'text-book' skilled and durable).

Tiozzo totally destroyed D. Michalczewski in Germany. I remember Tiozzo coming to the ring with only his belt across the waist, all alone, no robe, simple black shorts and a focused look - he did his best Tyson imitation there. To be fair, Michalczewski was shot to pieces and a KO waiting to happen..


Thatīs an understatement.
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What, you mean now?
Tiozzo said "seriously" he wanted Huck (he comments Huck's fights on french channel W9 and he says he thinks Huck is good but not so impressive !) Even if they organized Maske vs Hill 2 I don't think german promoter/fans would pay for this joke you're right.
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Tiozzo said "seriously" he wanted Huck (he comments Huck's fights on french channel W9 and he says he thinks Huck is good but not so impressive !) Even if they organized Maske vs Hill 2 I don't think german promoter/fans would pay for this joke you're right.
Thereīs no ppv in Germany, the fights are for free on TV.
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I know that but guys in the arena pay their tickets !
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Old 05-08-2010, 12:46 AM   #12
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Hill would ALWAYS have his number. Tiozzo should of fought Mormeck.
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I agree with that. Tiozzo had difficulties against technicians, counterpunchers protected by a superior jab like Hill. That said I think a normal version of Tiozzo would have been decisionned again, not KOed by a jab.
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Old 05-21-2010, 06:58 PM   #14
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he sent michalczewski into retirement and was WBA champ,that says enough.
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Hill absolutely blew him up with one punch. Tiozzo was a strong guy but very limited. The McCallum win was his best, but understand that McCallum was nearly 40 years old and way past it at that point.

Tiozzo's Cruiserweight reign wasn't that impressive. Nate Miller really wasn't very good, his defenses were against C-level competition and then lost the title to an ancient Virgil Hill. He came along at a very weak time in the Cruiser division, just before Jirov, Gomez, Nelson, etc.

I do give him credit for melting back down at 175 at an advanced age and winning a world title. I haven't seen any of those fights so can't comment. The one win that is also sorta interesting is his win over a young Eric Lucas. Never saw that one either.

To answer the question, from what I saw Tiozzo was a very good European-level fighter, maybe a B-level world class fighter who was for the most part managed properly and matched with opposition he could handle.
You are calling a two-weight WORLD champ a EUROPEAN-level fighter?

What are you smoking.

Tiozzo wasn't the most astonishing fighter 175 has ever seen, but he was a solid world champion with good boxing skills, decent chin and a fair bit of pop in his fists.

He was probably the best European LHW behind Michalczewski during the 1990s, even ahead of Henry Maske. He KOed Michalczewski, but that was a shot, coming out of retirement version who had somehow forgotten how to jab.

Prime for prime these two would have had a real war with Michalczewski coming out on top via UD or late stoppage, in my opinion.

Overall Tiozzo was a very good fighter with borderline Hall of Fame talent and resume, but a bit of a dedication problem.
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