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Evander Holyfield 87 49.15%
Mike Tyson 90 50.85%
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:11 AM   #91
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I always tend to think of the times where Holyfield would mix it up with punchers. Guys like Stewart, Cooper, Bowe, and Foreman. He almost got stopped by all of these guys because of his tendency to brawl instead of use his brilliant boxing ability.

Holy would definitely try to brawl with Tyson, and it would really backfire on him IMO. This would be one of the wars where he gets knocked down and has to fight his way out. Really, really tough pick. Hard to say.
A guy with mike's reputation-holy is never gonna brawl.

He'll push mike back, stick behind a jab and throw combinations to keep mike at range. Holy has great lateral movement and he can keept outside hurting mike with crisp shots.

Ultimately stops mike round about the 10th imo.
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:41 AM   #92
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tyson in 7 .
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Old 04-21-2013, 02:19 PM   #93
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A guy with mike's reputation-holy is never gonna brawl.

He'll push mike back, stick behind a jab and throw combinations to keep mike at range. Holy has great lateral movement and he can keept outside hurting mike with crisp shots.

Ultimately stops mike round about the 10th imo.
Your analogy ends right there. He won't push Mike back. Not this Mike. Holyfield wasn't established enough yet. He gained valuable experience after facing Bowe three times. Those were the fights that made Holyfield. I believe Hookfromhell stated correctly that the '96 version has the better chance with the gameplan implemented by Tommy Brooks. I'm still picking Tyson in the 8th.
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:01 PM   #94
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Your analogy ends right there. He won't push Mike back. Not this Mike. Holyfield wasn't established enough yet. He gained valuable experience after facing Bowe three times. Those were the fights that made Holyfield. I believe Hookfromhell stated correctly that the '96 version has the better chance with the gameplan implemented by Tommy Brooks. I'm still picking Tyson in the 8th.
Then that's where we disagree. I feel holy will be the stronger man and will hold the stylistic advantage.
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:51 AM   #95
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Then that's where we disagree. I feel holy will be the stronger man and will hold the stylistic advantage.
Damn I wish that fight happened in '91. DAMN. That followed by Bowe-Lewis and Pac-May. Then Norris-Trinidad, Jones Jr-Benn and Tyson-Foreman.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:37 PM   #96
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PRIME Tyson is 85-88 IMO. 85-88 Tyson Kos EH
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:56 PM   #97
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I actually think Holyfield was a better fighter when they did fight. By that I mean he was defensively better, less reckless and bigger and stronger, but he didnt have the stamina to fight like he did when he was younger, and that in my opinion would always be his downfall, because the younger Tyson was equally as strong and fast, hit harder and punched in combination better but also was defensively ten times as good as the later version of Tyson. I think the younger version of Tyson KO's both versions of Holyfield and the older version possibly later. Would have always made for an exciting fight, but I just cant see the younger Holyfield muscleing Tyson around like the roided up version. Holyfield was popping out of his skin in the Tyson fights.
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Old 05-06-2013, 03:36 PM   #98
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prime tyson, kevin rooney , cus damato blablablabla the typical history, evander holyfield had the number of tyson, he was too tough mentally, too good chin, too versatile... evander beats every version of tyson, holyfield 91 would beat 88 tyson by decision
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Old 05-06-2013, 03:38 PM   #99
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I actually think Holyfield was a better fighter when they did fight. By that I mean he was defensively better, less reckless and bigger and stronger, but he didnt have the stamina to fight like he did when he was younger, and that in my opinion would always be his downfall, because the younger Tyson was equally as strong and fast, hit harder and punched in combination better but also was defensively ten times as good as the later version of Tyson. I think the younger version of Tyson KO's both versions of Holyfield and the older version possibly later. Would have always made for an exciting fight, but I just cant see the younger Holyfield muscleing Tyson around like the roided up version. Holyfield was popping out of his skin in the Tyson fights.
yes , holyfield weighed 215 when he stopped tyson and he weighed 210 in his peak, yes he was much bigger 5 pounds heavier , please, shut the **** up. i love these little tyson biased fans
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PRIME Tyson is 85-88 IMO. 85-88 Tyson Kos EH
yes, tyson was in his prime in 1985 in his pro debut right?
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yes, tyson was in his prime in 1985 in his pro debut right?
>. watch his fights. 85-88 mike tyson was at his best. and yes he was already a beast WHEN he turned pro. do some research before you try to clown people.
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>. watch his fights. 85-88 mike tyson was at his best. and yes he was already a beast WHEN he turned pro. do some research before you try to clown people.
if tyson was good or not in 1985 is irrelevant, every legend is great even in his debut, but he was not in his prime, you donīt know what are you talking about.( and the best part of your comment is "watch his fights" lol)
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if tyson was good or not in 1985 is irrelevant, every legend is great even in his debut, but he was not in his prime, you donīt know what are you talking about.( and the best part of your comment is "watch his fighgts" lol)
>> ok dude i watched tyson and he peaked physically AND MENTALLY 85-88. after 88 he went mental. its not just a physical game. you have no idea what the fuk ur talking about when it comes to tyson. you can't judge the way you judge other fighters. his peak was as much mental as physical.
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Old 05-06-2013, 03:58 PM   #104
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>> ok dude i watched tyson and he peaked physically AND MENTALLY 85-88. after 88 he went mental. its not just a physical game. you have no idea what the fuk ur talking about when it comes to tyson. you can't judge the way you judge other fighters. his peak was as much mental as physical.
like i said.. no clue...
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Old 05-07-2013, 01:23 PM   #105
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Tyson peaked super early in his career, and had a short prime (imo he was at his best from 1986 - 1988 [1989]). His style was somewhat age dependent as well. Tyson's style required youth to be effective and successful. I never saw Tyson as a fighter that would've had much real success going into his 30's, he fought a young man's game. Tyson was also at his best when he was with Kevin Rooney. Holyfield by comparison actually got better in some ways with age. If Tyson had stayed with Rooney and stayed out of trouble, he would've beat Douglas and went on to peak probably right around the time he was going to prison. Tyson missed what should've been the second half of his prime years (1991 - 1994). Of course, the game changer was always Kevin Rooney, and Tyson's own demons. With Rooney, Tyson would've went on to become arguably the best heavyweight in history; but alas that was not to be.

Tyson (1985 - 1988/89) would've beat any Holyfield every time. (I don't see Tyson [86 - 88] losing to anyone in the history of the sport.) Tyson (90 - 91), it would've been a closer fight, but i still think he'd likely have bested Holyfield the majority of the time then as well. Conclusion - imo pre-1990 Tyson wins every time; after 1988-89/post Rooney, Holyfield wins 7 out of 10 times. I still believe Tyson had the potential to beat Holyfield, even as late as 96-97, but he was not prepared properly. Bottom line, in their respective primes, Tyson wins 99 out of 100 times.
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