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Old 10-12-2007, 11:59 AM   #1
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Default Who are the supernaturals, all time and current?

Now, first, we have to define a 'supernatural' as different from a 'phenominal fighter'. A supernatural has to have great speed combined with skill and also has to have the ability to utterly brutalise their peers and also has to have great heart. This alone shuts out many fast boxers who are phenominal, such as Floyd Mayweather. Manny Pac has supernatural ability, but is far too rough around the edges to be considered in this 'special' class.

Mayweather was a potential 'supernatural' at 130-135, but has since become too conservative in style to be considered as such. A supernatural lets those damn hands just fly, shreds an opponent and beautifully executes artistic brutality for out entertainment through the highest of skill level, some are also warriors in the same.

A 'supernatural' is not the best fighter necessarily, they are just simply - supernatural - SO sweet it's just SICK.

Current:

Joe Calzaghe
Cristian Mijares
Ivan Calderon
Joan Guzman

All time:

Roy Jones Jr.
Sugar Ray Robinson
Muhammad Ali(peak)
Nicolino Locche
Pernell Whitaker
Sugar Ray Leonard
Aaron Pryor
Thomas Hearns
Alexis Arguello
Mike Tyson(peak)
Roberto Duran
Meldrick Taylor


...................... let's continue the list.

Remember, no conservative guys, these guys have to be just sickeningly sweet(style doesn't matter, swarmers can be amazing to watch) with speed+skill+heart. You have to watch the guy and think 'that's some amazing, supernatural, phenominal shit'.
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Default Re: Who are the supernaturals, all time and current?

Pernells the one that came instantly to mind...

...Monzon was a supernatural but wasnt the quickest
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Pernells the one that came instantly to mind...

...Monzon was a supernatural but wasnt the quickest
Monzon was 'phenominal', he was methodical and paced.

Pernell should always come to mind, Jones also.

Ray Robinson was the original for his era. Nobody better say Pep, he just ran, Pernell would stand in the trenches and make you miss and look stupid.
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Old 10-12-2007, 12:07 PM   #4
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Default Re: Who are the supernaturals, all time and current?

Hearns?

Was a beast at his peak and could blow away his peers.
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Old 10-12-2007, 12:09 PM   #5
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Hearns?

Was a beast at his peak and could blow away his peers.
I added him, he was without a doubt supernatural.
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Old 10-12-2007, 12:09 PM   #6
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he doesn't fit in with your all time list too well...but I'd still consider Naseem Hamed a 'supernatural'
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Old 10-12-2007, 12:10 PM   #7
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Sounds like your describing Tommy Hearns
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Monzon was 'phenominal', he was methodical and paced.

Pernell should always come to mind, Jones also.

Ray Robinson was the original for his era. Nobody better say Pep, he just ran, Pernell would stand in the trenches and make you miss and look stupid.
Yeh, thats a better description for Monzon
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he doesn't fit in with your all time list too well...but I'd still consider Naseem Hamed a 'supernatural'
Definitley had supernatural ability, but he never really stepped up to the supernatural level. Just imagine if he would have gotten down at least really solid basic skill level to go with his speed, power and timing, he'd have been really amazing.

Guy would have been a top tier Supernatural had he developed better in my opinion.
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Camacho?
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Old 10-12-2007, 12:22 PM   #11
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Who did Sweet Pea brutalize, again? I'm not arguing labelling his skills "supernatural", but you explicitly stated "no conservative guys" and "ability to brutalize their opponents".
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Azumah Nelson?
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Old 10-12-2007, 12:27 PM   #13
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Definitley had supernatural ability, but he never really stepped up to the supernatural level. Just imagine if he would have gotten down at least really solid basic skill level to go with his speed, power and timing, he'd have been really amazing.

Guy would have been a top tier Supernatural had he developed better in my opinion.

the funny thing about Hamed is that when Manny Steward tried to make him fight more of textbook style it really contributed to Hamed's decline.

He should have stayed with a trainer that understood his style...Ingle or even Herol Graham.

so much untapped potential..

When it comes to 'artistic brutality for our entertainment' Nas is definitely on my list though

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Old 10-12-2007, 12:45 PM   #14
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Not really sure about the heart category but from '86-'90 Mike Tyson was the supernatural.
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I do not agree with Calzaghe on the list... his opposition is too lacking much like your criteria for Hamed.
If he Brutalizes Kessler i will reconsider though.

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