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Old 10-12-2007, 12:49 PM   #16
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Who did Sweet Pea brutalize, again? I'm not arguing labelling his skills "supernatural", but you explicitly stated "no conservative guys" and "ability to brutalize their opponents".
Brutalised McGirt pretty nasty mate.

Point being, unlike Mayweather, Sweet Pea would nearly always let combinations fly and he landed at a high accuracy, opponents were often bruised and bloody because of this.
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Mosley, earlty welterweight days.
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Old 10-12-2007, 01:00 PM   #18
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George Foreman HAS to be on that list
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Mosley, earlty welterweight days.
because of steriods???
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Old 10-12-2007, 01:09 PM   #20
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Now, first, we have to define a 'supernatural' as different from a 'phenominal fighter'. A supernatural has to have great speed combined with skill and also has to have the ability to utterly brutalise their peers and also has to have great heart. This alone shuts out many fast boxers who are phenominal, such as Floyd Mayweather. Manny Pac has supernatural ability, but is far too rough around the edges to be considered in this 'special' class.

Mayweather was a potential 'supernatural' at 130-135, but has since become too conservative in style to be considered as such. A supernatural lets those damn hands just fly, shreds an opponent and beautifully executes artistic brutality for out entertainment through the highest of skill level, some are also warriors in the same.

A 'supernatural' is not the best fighter necessarily, they are just simply - supernatural - SO sweet it's just SICK.

Current:

Joe Calzaghe
Cristian Mijares
Ivan Calderon
Joan Guzman

All time:

Roy Jones Jr.
Sugar Ray Robinson
Muhammad Ali(peak)
Nicolino Locche
Pernell Whitaker
Sugar Ray Leonard
Aaron Pryor
Thomas Hearns
Alexis Arguello
Mike Tyson(peak)
Roberto Duran
Meldrick Taylor


...................... let's continue the list.

Remember, no conservative guys, these guys have to be just sickeningly sweet(style doesn't matter, swarmers can be amazing to watch) with speed+skill+heart. You have to watch the guy and think 'that's some amazing, supernatural, phenominal shit'.
Pac is not on this Class??? And you put Calslappy, Calderun, Mijares & Guzzy???? Name me if any of those successfully moved up in weight 7 classes & Still Knocking out HOFamer opponents.
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Pac is not on this Class??? And you put Calslappy, Calderun, Mijares & Guzzy???? Name me if any of those successfully moved up in weight 7 classes & Still Knocking out HOFamer opponents.
'Supernatural' has nothing to do with 'greatness'. Pac's style is too bruiser like to be in the 'supernatural' class. There is nothing 'sweet' about the way he fights, it's fast and brutal but not beautiful, you know?

He is clearly a phenominal fighter, but he doesn't fall in this special class that described how these fighters take care of business in the ring. Is this hard to understand?

Want to know something funny mate?

If Pac were a SMW, with his whole ordeal just fit into MW size and proportion, he'd lose to Calzaghe handily. Joe eats swarmer and pressure styles alive.
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Carlos Monzon has to be in that list, as one of the greatest at all!
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Old 10-12-2007, 01:16 PM   #23
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Carlos Monzon has to be in that list, as one of the greatest at all!
Read the criteria my Danish instigator friend.
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Old 10-12-2007, 01:19 PM   #24
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Carlos Monzon has to be in that list, as one of the greatest at all!
Middlewights yes, he was more controlled though! Come on JC
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'Supernatural' has nothing to do with 'greatness'. Pac's style is too bruiser like to be in the 'supernatural' class. There is nothing 'sweet' about the way he fights, it's fast and brutal but not beautiful, you know?

He is clearly a phenominal fighter, but he doesn't fall in this special class that described how these fighters take care of business in the ring. Is this hard to understand?

Want to know something funny mate?

If Pac were a SMW, with his whole ordeal just fit into MW size and proportion, he'd lose to Calzaghe handily. Joe eats swarmer and pressure styles alive.
If you Break down the word Super & Natural it will describe exactly what Pac is. Pac turns heads of Sports Journalist in the Philippines in just his 1st showing in Phil TV. Pac turns head of the HBO commentators with just his 1st fight on HBO. Pac turns the head of the world with his 1st Superfight with mAB.

When did the World turns the Head for Calslappy???? After Lacy fight??? That's about how many years since his 1st televised Fight???

A Supernatural fighter will turns heads on the 1st show you see them. Tyson, Ali, SRL, Hearns & Pac are just a Few I can named.
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Old 10-12-2007, 01:48 PM   #26
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Monzon was 'phenominal', he was methodical and paced.

Pernell should always come to mind, Jones also.

Ray Robinson was the original for his era. Nobody better say Pep, he just ran, Pernell would stand in the trenches and make you miss and look stupid.
well thats not all true pep was just at that range when hooks were too far and straights were too close and at that point he was always moving just to stay at that distance and can move and combo off....look at how amazing he was against hooks he seemed to duck lower than pernell and then move..pernell was more flatfooted(which adds to his magic)

sorry to be an arse

bit of a wild card terry norris?
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If you Break down the word Super & Natural it will describe exactly what Pac is. Pac turns heads of Sports Journalist in the Philippines in just his 1st showing in Phil TV. Pac turns head of the HBO commentators with just his 1st fight on HBO. Pac turns the head of the world with his 1st Superfight with mAB.

When did the World turns the Head for Calslappy???? After Lacy fight??? That's about how many years since his 1st televised Fight???
but the difference with calslappy (very witty may i add ) than paquaio is that he joe is magical he seems to have an aura about him so does pacman i agree but he is very obvoious.

pacman can be beaten and about boxed which makes it feel not so shiny.
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Brutalised McGirt pretty nasty mate.

Point being, unlike Mayweather, Sweet Pea would nearly always let combinations fly and he landed at a high accuracy, opponents were often bruised and bloody because of this.
the ending of hurtado whitaker fight real highlight footage
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Supernatural- Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces.

Pac is suppossed to be a smaller & The lesser guy when he fought MAB & EM. A Flyweight Champ KNocking out a featherweight & superfeatherweight champ? I guess that's beyond the Natural Forces.

Amsty, I thought you are the Master of the English Language???? Now tell me why Calslappy is a Supernatural????
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but the difference with calslappy (very witty may i add ) than paquaio is that he joe is magical he seems to have an aura about him so does pacman i agree but he is very obvoious.

pacman can be beaten and about boxed which makes it feel not so shiny.
Pac not so Shiny??? Who is the PPV imports in America??? Calslappy or Pac???

Pac can be beaten, that's true, because he Challenge himself & fight bigger guys all the time. He's even planning to moved up to 135 for bigger Challenge. Why didn't Calslappy challenge Bhop, RJJ or Tarver for all these years he's a Champ???? Last time I see Calslappy he looks ordinary against Bika.
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