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Old 05-02-2010, 09:57 PM   #1
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Default Lonsdale belt outright - John Murray.

Sorry if this thread is retarded, but I'm reading that the Murray vs. Buckland fight is for the EBU and British title and if Murray wins he gets the Lonsdale Belt outright.

I was under the impression that in order to win the Lonsdale Belt outright you need to defend it three times?

Therefore, does the fight against Thaxton or Lawton count as a British defence? or is Murray talking about defending the British title once more after Buckland?
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:24 AM   #2
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Sorry if this thread is retarded, but I'm reading that the Murray vs. Buckland fight is for the EBU and British title and if Murray wins he gets the Lonsdale Belt outright.

I was under the impression that in order to win the Lonsdale Belt outright you need to defend it three times?

Therefore, does the fight against Thaxton or Lawton count as a British defence? or is Murray talking about defending the British title once more after Buckland?
Yeah I think the fight against Thaxton counted towards Murray's British title 'defences' even though it was for the vacant belt. Same thing for Thaxton, who would have held the title outright if he were to have won against Murray
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:27 AM   #3
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Default Re: Lonsdale belt outright - John Murray.

To win the Lonsdale outright you need 4 wins in total.
The most obvious way to achieve this is by winning the title and defending three times (for some reason a draw does not count as a successful defence), but it is possible to win the belt outright without ever having to defend the belt (i.e winning the belt on four separate occasions).
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Old 05-03-2010, 08:14 AM   #4
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Default Re: Lonsdale belt outright - John Murray.

You need to win the belt and defend it 3 times to win it outright.
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Old 05-03-2010, 08:29 AM   #5
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You need to win the belt and defend it 3 times to win it outright.
That's only one way of winning the belt outright.
You need four wins in total. The wins do not have to be sequential.
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Old 05-03-2010, 08:36 AM   #6
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Default Re: Lonsdale belt outright - John Murray.

Who have his fights for the belt been against?
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Old 05-03-2010, 09:11 AM   #7
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Surely he has already won one outright with wins over Meager, McAllister, Lawton and Thaxton
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Old 05-03-2010, 09:19 AM   #8
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Surely he has already won one outright with wins over Meager, McAllister, Lawton and Thaxton
As he didn't make weight for the Lawton fight, that wouldn't have counted as the belt wasn't on the line for him
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Old 05-03-2010, 10:58 AM   #9
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buckland boxing for a european title?! that title is going down the pan, john murray should be winning his lonsdale title, hope h edoes n goes on to better things
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Old 05-03-2010, 12:52 PM   #10
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As he didn't make weight for the Lawton fight, that wouldn't have counted as the belt wasn't on the line for him
Spotted the deliberate mistake .....I forgot about that
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Seen Buckland fight once in Barnsley. He looked very good that night and may prove an hard fight for Murray.
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:29 PM   #12
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buckland is a very busy agresive fighter with a lot of heart, if he's alowed to get close for long periods murray could get outworked though not hurt as buckland does'nt punch, i see a very good fight were buckland goes out with honour in 9 or 10 rounds.
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Old 05-03-2010, 04:13 PM   #13
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Lets be honest John Murray is not world title material, He wont win a world title. European is furthest he will get and he wont hold that title long.

I just can not see him as a world champion, He is one-diamensional, Poor footwork, Bad work ethic not making weight, And he is lustreless.

Also he has a terrible promotor and trainer.
God, I hope you get banned again. John Murray's a good guy. He raises his game for the best opposition he's faced. I'd rather watch him fight than Khan, for example.
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Old 05-03-2010, 04:51 PM   #14
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Yeah I think the fight against Thaxton counted towards Murray's British title 'defences' even though it was for the vacant belt. Same thing for Thaxton, who would have held the title outright if he were to have won against Murray
Cheers. that was really bugging me.
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Old 05-03-2010, 05:07 PM   #15
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With respect being a "good guy" doesnt make you a good boxer. I simply stated that John Murray is not world champion material. He struggled against Al-Hamidi who drives an Ice-Cream van, Has fought opponents that were previously thrashed by Khan like Lawton, A feather-fisted Lee Mcallister, And then a shot to bits Thaxton. Now he is facing another world beater in Buckland.
Although I accept now he needs to be stepped up in class, surely by fighting for the European title is doing that?

With respect to who he fought previously, he did struggle badly against Al-Hamidi, but Al-Hamidi is renowned for being an awkward journeyman. But yes Murray should have done better and could have easily been award the Loss for that fight

But with respect to the other domestic opponents he has beaten and outclassed, he fought Maeger who was an ex-British champion, McAllister who i think held some sort of WBU crap title, then Lawton who was the English title holder, then Thaxton who was an ex-European and ex-British

I don't think Murray is world class but surely he has taken the appropriate route of fighting all domestic opponents available (with the exception of Khan, but that was never going to happen) in fighting previous domestic champions and gradually stepping up in class?

Just to notify you im not even that big a fan of Murray either!
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