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Old 10-13-2007, 03:17 PM   #1
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Im inclined to say yes
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Old 10-13-2007, 03:20 PM   #2
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Most people would still consider him too boring for that spot- though i like him
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Old 10-13-2007, 03:21 PM   #3
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**** boring, he did what he had to do, nobody could beat him when he started his roll, i honestly dont think anyone in history could have beaten him in his peak, nobody.
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Old 10-13-2007, 03:43 PM   #4
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An awful lot of American's do consider him the top middleweight of all time. In a division which has had SRR, Hagler, SRL, Duran, Fitzsimmons, Greb, Walker, Zale, Griffith, Benvenuti, Ketchel, Langford, The Nonpariel Jack Dempsey, Hearns and countless others within it's ranks, I'd say that's pretty good credit from the Yanks.
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Old 10-13-2007, 03:43 PM   #5
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Im inclined to say yes
I think he falls outside the 5 whatever his nationality. I cant rate him above Armstrong,Pep,Greb,B Leonard,Ali..But he must be in everyones top 4 at 160
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Old 10-13-2007, 03:53 PM   #6
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What in his resume makes you think he's even top 10? His resume is nowhere near enough,nor his accomplishments. He was a great fighter, but definitely not that great. This whole American thing is ridiculous, it has to do with what they accomplished rather than what nationality. Duran isn't American.
Yeah but if he was American he'd be no.1
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:06 PM   #7
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If he was P4P top 5 he would have got in the ring with John Conteh or Galindez or Bob Foster
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:21 PM   #8
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If he was P4P top 5 he would have got in the ring with John Conteh or Galindez or Bob Foster

Monzon was great pals with Galindez so that fight was never an option. A fight with Conteh was mooted for 1975 but fell through when John parted company with Mickey Duff.
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:22 PM   #9
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As great as Monzon was i don't see him being very successfull at light-heavy - he was not suited to it. At middle he was superb, top 2.
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:27 PM   #10
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As great as Monzon was i don't see him being very successfull at light-heavy - he was not suited to it. At middle he was superb, top 2.


Of course, and in the days of one/two title holders, both very strong at the weight; not twenty years later when every Tom, Dick & Vasquez held a belt of some sort.
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:32 PM   #11
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**** boring, he did what he had to do, nobody could beat him when he started his roll, i honestly dont think anyone in history could have beaten him in his peak, nobody.


He'd probably be rated higher at 160 if he lost to Griffith, beat Griffith in rematch, lost to Napoles, beat Napoles in return, lost to Valdez, regained against Valdez. Drew with Corro, then carried on till he was in his mid forties and lost to Mark Kaylor and Larry Holmes' brother.
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:34 PM   #12
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For part of the 1970s, Monzon and Ali were boxing's only two undisputed champions. As Carlos had no difficulty maintaining his weight, he had no incentive to take a demotion to partial world championship recognition in the LHW division. (Ditto Hagler.)

Should John McCain somehow manage to win the White House, he would attempt to implement domestic federal authority over an international sport. Carlos Monzon's career, in which he only defended his title once in the States, is testament to the absurdity of McCain's notion. (As I will point out to him personally when I see him, assuming somebody else on the boards here has not already pointed the example of Monzon's career out to McCain. All a federal boxing commission would do is drive boxing further out of the U.S.)
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Old 10-13-2007, 10:45 PM   #13
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I consider him the greatest middleweight of all time and one of the top 10 of all time pound-for-pound(top five is debatable) as it is.
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Old 10-14-2007, 09:39 AM   #14
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He'd probably be rated higher at 160 if he lost to Griffith, beat Griffith in rematch, lost to Napoles, beat Napoles in return, lost to Valdez, regained against Valdez. Drew with Corro, then carried on till he was in his mid forties and lost to Mark Kaylor and Larry Holmes' brother.
The scary thing is youre probably right

Just wanted to see what the reaction towards him is, ive got him as 8 on my all time P4P
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Old 10-14-2007, 09:39 AM   #15
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If he was American, or even spoke English and smiled more, he'd be considered a legend, right up there with Ali, Leonard, Duran and De La Hoya. Of course, he was at least as great as Ali, and better than the others I mentioned.
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