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Old 05-04-2010, 02:41 PM   #31
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My P4P top 10...

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. W. Klitschko
4. Bute
5. Berto
6. Dawson
7. Haye
8. Paul Williams
9. Shane Mosley
10. Khan (when he beats Paulie)


... ok, lets have the insults shall we?!
You obviously can't be having Khan in there if Bradley and Alexander aren't ahead of him.

Haye ahead of Vitali is also a bit unrealistic.

Mosley is a bit generous. He just lost a lopsided UD.
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Old 05-04-2010, 02:51 PM   #32
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You obviously can't be having Khan in there if Bradley and Alexander aren't ahead of him.

Haye ahead of Vitali is also a bit unrealistic.

Mosley is a bit generous. He just lost a lopsided UD.
i suppose ur right, but there isnt any logic in my list.

i also agree that putting khan ahead of alexander and bradley is questionable but its only a bit of fun so it doesnt really matter does it?!

why do you think haye should be behind vitali tho? he unified the CW division and now hes a HW champion.
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:01 PM   #33
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**** all this generic ''you have to have this guy in because of what he did years ago'' shit.

This is who I consider the best ten in the world right now, given all where to face off against each other.

If I havent seen it in your last fight(s) your out.

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Wladimir Klitschko
4.Sergio Martinez
5.Paul Williams
6.Timothy Bradley
7.Chad Dawson
8.David Haye
9.Yuiriorkis Gamboa
10.Juan Manuel Lopez
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:07 PM   #34
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i suppose ur right, but there isnt any logic in my list.

i also agree that putting khan ahead of alexander and bradley is questionable but its only a bit of fun so it doesnt really matter does it?!

why do you think haye should be behind vitali tho? he unified the CW division and now hes a HW champion.
The funny thing is that even though you just made your list for a laugh, it's better than some of the ones you'll see in the general forum.

As for Haye being behind Vitali, you have to keep in mind that the lists are based on recent activity, as opposed to all-time lists which take a whole career into account.

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1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Wladimir Klitschko
4.Sergio Martinez
5.Paul Williams
6.Timothy Bradley
7.Chad Dawson
8.David Haye
9.Yuiriorkis Gamboa
10.Juan Manuel Lopez
Best list i've seen in a while, but I reckon you could replace JuanMa with Dirrell (not that I like the guy). But in any case, number 10 is pretty much an open spot.

Top list
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:10 PM   #35
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The funny thing is that even though you just made your list for a laugh, it's better than some of the ones you'll see in the general forum.

As for Haye being behind Vitali, you have to keep in mind that the lists are based on recent activity, as opposed to all-time lists which take a whole career into account.



Best list i've seen in a while, but I reckon you could replace JuanMa with Dirrell (not that I like the guy). But in any case, number 10 is pretty much an open spot.

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it is a good list and i was thinking whether to put gamboa in there myself.
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:19 PM   #36
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1 Floyd
2 Pac



3 Wladimir klitschko
4 Marquez
5 dawson
6 williams
7 martinez
8 vitali klitschko
9 adamek
10 bradley
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:21 PM   #37
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**** all this generic ''you have to have this guy in because of what he did years ago'' shit.

This is who I consider the best ten in the world right now, given all where to face off against each other.

If I havent seen it in your last fight(s) your out.

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Wladimir Klitschko
4.Sergio Martinez
5.Paul Williams
6.Timothy Bradley
7.Chad Dawson
8.David Haye
9.Yuiriorkis Gamboa
10.Juan Manuel Lopez
problem with having vlad in is then it would have to be judged on achievement rather than skills. he is the very definition of a fighter exploiting his size. if most other fighters were his size he would lose. but this argument is well trodden...
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:22 PM   #38
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My 2 cents...

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Paul Williams
5. Chad Dawson
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7. Sergio Martinez
8. Shane Mosley
9. Juan Manuel Lopez
10. Fernando Montiel
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:22 PM   #39
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To the guy who mentioned Bute if it was in response to me. I never said he was top 10 P4P, I merely stated that the he arguably has a better resume than Wonjongkam. Neither of them are top 10 right now in my opinion. If the ring based theirs on talent or potential rather than results, then perhaps Lopez, Gamboa or even Rigondeaux could be argued to be ahead in those stakes.

Regarding the Vitali / Haye comment. I don't think Haye has to be ranked ahead of Vitali at HW to be ahead of him in a P4P ranking since Vit is about 30lbs heavier and 4 1/2 inches taller, I don't think it matters if they are in the same weight divisions, the whole meaning of pound for pound shouldn't suddenly go out the window because the weight classes stop at HW.
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:28 PM   #40
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I've noticed they always pick or elevate, slightly obscure, niche fighters like Caballero, Pong etc. As if it lends the list more credibility.
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:31 PM   #41
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problem with having vlad in is then it would have to be judged on achievement rather than skills. he is the very definition of a fighter exploiting his size. if most other fighters were his size he would lose. but this argument is well trodden...
No offence but I think that is a gash argument. Wlad is big so naturally uses his physical advantages. He'd be stupid not to. You could say Floyd and Manny have fast hands - without them they'd be shit. The Klits use the tools/physical advantages they have to be the best they can be. Every fighter should do that. Tyson's style only worked because of his size. I could argue if the Klits were 5ft10 they'd be bobbing and weaving, throwing power shots and destroying all opponents like a prime Tyson. Works both ways.

You have people like Valuev, Julius Long, Zuri Lawrence who are as big/bigger than the Klits yet they're nowhere near as good.
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:47 PM   #42
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Poor list.
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:57 PM   #43
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Why's Mosley still 5?
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Old 05-04-2010, 04:22 PM   #44
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problem with having vlad in is then it would have to be judged on achievement rather than skills. he is the very definition of a fighter exploiting his size. if most other fighters were his size he would lose. but this argument is well trodden...
It's not only size with Wladimir. He's got the best jab of any fighter at the moment, regardless what weight they fight at (in other words, "P4P" best jab).

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Regarding the Vitali / Haye comment. I don't think Haye has to be ranked ahead of Vitali at HW to be ahead of him in a P4P ranking since Vit is about 30lbs heavier and 4 1/2 inches taller, I don't think it matters if they are in the same weight divisions, the whole meaning of pound for pound shouldn't suddenly go out the window because the weight classes stop at HW.
They're different sizes, but Haye simply hasn't looked impressive at heavyweight (although it's impressive that he made the climb and held his ground), while Vitali has been harpooning guys like Arreola who were considered genuine threats.
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Old 05-04-2010, 04:26 PM   #45
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East Side Boxing official P4P Rankings thread. Vote on your top 10 here.

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