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Old 06-05-2010, 07:19 PM   #16
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Dmitry Pirog would beat Sylvester soundly.
Don't see Sylvester making it all the way in this one , either getting knocked out or stopped on cuts .
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Old 06-05-2010, 07:22 PM   #17
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Nothing new to me but I'll say it again after tonight's fight: Sylvester is boring as hell
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Old 06-05-2010, 07:23 PM   #18
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Nothing new to me but I'll say it again after tonight's fight: Sylvester is boring as hell
Most of the time, yes. He can throw a nice right hand when he feels like it.

He should have lost his belt. Now we get to see more of him, and poor Roman is probably going to retire empty-handed.
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Old 06-05-2010, 07:28 PM   #19
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He should have lost his belt. Now we get to see more of him, and poor Roman is probably going to retire empty-handed.
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Old 06-06-2010, 01:10 AM   #20
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We want a rematch !
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Old 06-06-2010, 02:30 AM   #21
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We want a rematch !
There should be one for sure. The scorecards of the Americans were ridiculous. The draw was okay, a razor-thin decision for Karmazin would have been okay too.
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Old 06-06-2010, 03:28 AM   #22
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There should be one for sure. The scorecards of the Americans were ridiculous. The draw was okay, a razor-thin decision for Karmazin would have been okay too.
Exactly my thought. No robbery, close decision but I had Karmazin up by one round.
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:10 AM   #23
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There should be one for sure. The scorecards of the Americans were ridiculous. The draw was okay, a razor-thin decision for Karmazin would have been okay too.
When was the last time a German lost a 'close decision' in a title fight in Germany?
I thought Campillo beat Murat - Murat got the nod.
I thought Gevor beat Sturm convincingly. Sturm got the nod.
I thought Spada edged Zbik in the first encounter. Zbik got the nod.
I admit I didn't watch last night's fight, but if it was as close as you say, it is yet another example that an away fighter can only win a title in Germany by winning convincingly or by knockout.

And let's face it no other country has nearly as many scandalous moments such as the Krasniqi/Brewster, Hernandez/Braithwaite, Braehemer/Sukhotsky, Ottke/Reid ...
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:25 AM   #24
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When was the last time a German lost a 'close decision' in a title fight in Germany?
I thought Campillo beat Murat - Murat got the nod.
I thought Gevor beat Sturm convincingly. Sturm got the nod.
I thought Spada edged Zbik in the first encounter. Zbik got the nod.
I admit I didn't watch last night's fight, but if it was as close as you say, it is yet another example that an away fighter can only win a title in Germany by winning convincingly or by knockout.

And let's face it no other country has nearly as many scandalous moments such as the Krasniqi/Brewster, Hernandez/Braithwaite, Braehemer/Sukhotsky, Ottke/Reid ...
What has this to do with this fight? Right, nothing. So, either write something on the topic or piss off. Thanks.

Btw. Ghevor is German citizen. Self-ownage, right there.
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:30 AM   #25
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...And let's face it no other country has nearly as many scandalous moments such as the Krasniqi/Brewster, Hernandez/Braithwaite, Braehemer/Sukhotsky, Ottke/Reid ...
You mean like Sturm/De La Hoya, Schulz/Foreman, Froch/Direll, Ward/Kessler, Diaz/Khan I,...

Get over it, Hometown decisions happen all over the world.

PS: I had Sturm winning against Gevor.
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:53 AM   #26
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What has this to do with this fight? Right, nothing. So, either write something on the topic or piss off. Thanks.
It's pretty relevant. When was the last time an away fighter won a close decision in Germany. Come on, I want an answer. Admit it Germany is the hardest place in the world to 'win' a decision.

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Btw. Ghevor is German citizen. Self-ownage, right there.


Let's not get into that debate again. Pianeta is a German citizen having been raised there since childhood. But he regards himself as Italian. Abraham is a German citizen, but refers to himself as Armenian. Samil Sam was born and raised in Germany but regards himself as Turkish.

On the flipside the Podolski & Klose were born in Poland to parents who were also Polish born, (both of their mothers represented Poland internationally), yet regard themselves as German due to the fact that they were raised there.

Self determination is more important than citizenship. Seeing as your quite the liberal I fail to see how you can disagree with this.

Oh & btw, we have many people over here who despite holding British citizenship do not regard themselves as British.
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:59 AM   #27
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It's pretty relevant. When was the last time an away fighter won a close decision in Germany. Come on, I want an answer. Admit it Germany is the hardest place in the world to 'win' a decision.
Dirrell would disagree there I guess.

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Let's not get into that debate again. Pianeta is a German citizen having been raised there since childhood. But he regards himself as Italian. Abraham is a German citizen, but refers to himself as Armenian. Samil Sam was born and raised in Germany but regards himself as Turkish.

On the flipside the Podolski & Klose were born in Poland to parents who were also Polish born, (both of their mothers represented Poland internationally), yet regard themselves as German due to the fact that they were raised there.

Self determination is more important than citizenship. Seeing as your quite the liberal I fail to see how you can disagree with this.

Oh & btw, we have many people over here who despite holding British citizenship do not regard themselves as British.
Again what has this to do with what we are talking about. You asked when was the last time a German lost a close fight in Germany. Ghevor is German and lost. You can come up with all the excuses you want. Bottomline is, when Ghevor fights he fights for Germany, the German anthemn is sung before the fight and when he wins he is handed the German flag.

Oh, and Iīm no liberal, Iīm no conservative or socialist either. I donīt follow any ideology. I take things how I see them. If you donīt like it, itīs your problem, not mine.
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Old 06-06-2010, 08:04 AM   #28
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You mean like Sturm/De La Hoya, Schulz/Foreman, Froch/Direll, Ward/Kessler, Diaz/Khan I,...

Get over it, Hometown decisions happen all over the world.

PS: I had Sturm winning against Gevor.
You are right in stating that robberies are a worldwide phemonenon, and by no means exclusive to Germany. North America have had more than there fair share of high profile scandals in the past few years - Martinez/Cintron, Guzman/Funeka 1, Casamayor/Santa Cruz, Campillo/Shumenov all spring to mind as recent examples.

However you'd have to admit the worst refereeing displays have all come in Germany; you can't defend the aforementioned examples I listed in my previous post.
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You are right in stating that robberies are a worldwide phemonenon, and by no means exclusive to Germany. North America have had more than there fair share of high profile scandals in the past few years - Martinez/Cintron, Guzman/Funeka 1, Casamayor/Santa Cruz, Campillo/Shumenov all spring to mind as recent examples.

However you'd have to admit the worst refereeing displays have all come in Germany; you can't defend the aforementioned examples I listed in my previous post.
Why would anybody defend those?
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Dirrell would disagree there I guess.
Still ducking the question? You keep quoting that one example as if it's indicative of corruption in Britain. Did the referee drag Froch to his feet after he had been legitimately knocked down (Hernandez/Braithwaite)? Did he stop counting at nine when Froch was unable to rise to his feet (Krasniqi/Brewster)? Did he interupt the action when Froch was on the end of a fifty punch salvo, to have Froch's wounds inspected (Braehmer/Sukhotsky)?

You probably will struggle to find anymore examples to support your weak argument, considering our fighters actually fight abroad, and are less liable to accusations of homecooking.

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Again what has this to do with what we are talking about. You asked when was the last time a German lost a close fight in Germany. Ghevor is German and lost. You can come up with all the excuses you want. Bottomline is, when Ghevor fights he fights for Germany, the German anthemn is sung before the fight and when he wins he is handed the German flag.
You were the one who brought up the fact that Gevor is aparently 'German', when he quite clearly isn't. Olusegun & Bayaar have both won the British title in their respective divisions recently. This doesn't detract from the fact that neither is British. Gevor is Armenian. Sturm is German. This was not billed as an all German affair, and you know it. If you were to start a thread posing the question, 'is Gevor German or Armenian', the overwhelming majority would side with me.
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