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Old 01-19-2014, 08:42 AM   #1
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Default Joe Goddard, great fighter.

Anybody else think that Joe Goddard is criminally underrated?
Hw took up boxing at a very late age, cut a sward through the top Australian heavyweight ranks when it was full of good fighters, and boxed a tough deserved draw with Jackson when Peter was considered by many as the best fighter in the World.
Choynski and Maher are now highly rated and deservedly so, but Joe crushed a young Choynski twice. Maher went twelve years at the top, losing only to Fitz and yes, Goddard-twice. Yet we rarely see The Barrier Champion's name mentioned when this period is discussed. ANY OPINIONS?

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Old 01-19-2014, 08:46 AM   #2
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I am thinking along the same lines as you here.
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Old 01-19-2014, 10:20 AM   #3
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Yep!
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Old 01-19-2014, 11:00 AM   #4
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I have been saying this for years.
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Old 01-19-2014, 11:22 AM   #5
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Do you think he could have beaten Corbett, Sullivan or Slavin in 1891-3?
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Old 01-19-2014, 11:41 AM   #6
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I've found the reports over Goddard-Jackson really differential all ove rthe shop including the Australian ones...some have Jackson in the pink, others have him out of shape, some have him down from a punch others have him down from a slip and so on. At least one has him basically the winner, or at least blasting off to a huge lead. It's a little confusing.

In the end, an eight round draw isn't enough to make a title-winner of him, and there's no footage...I can't put Goddard in over Corbett and Sullivan any more than I can put O'Brien in over Johnson (and he actually fought Johnson, as opposed to Johnson's #1 contender). So the answer for me would have to be no, based upon the evidence we have.
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Old 01-19-2014, 03:41 PM   #7
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I've found the reports over Goddard-Jackson really differential all ove rthe shop including the Australian ones...some have Jackson in the pink, others have him out of shape, some have him down from a punch others have him down from a slip and so on. At least one has him basically the winner, or at least blasting off to a huge lead. It's a little confusing.

In the end, an eight round draw isn't enough to make a title-winner of him, and there's no footage...I can't put Goddard in over Corbett and Sullivan any more than I can put O'Brien in over Johnson (and he actually fought Johnson, as opposed to Johnson's #1 contender). So the answer for me would have to be no, based upon the evidence we have.
I think he was in an era of giants to be honest.

At that point in time you have four or so really good heavyweight contenders, any one of who would have been a standout a few years earlier or later.
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Old 01-19-2014, 04:23 PM   #8
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I was thinking about Goddard around a month ago, and I do think that, for atleast a few years, the guy was a beast. I hadn't realized, however, that he was about 32/33 years old when he had his most notable wins.
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Let's not underplay that he was epic drunk.

Give credit where it is due.
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Old 01-20-2014, 07:54 PM   #10
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Do you think he could have beaten Corbett, Sullivan or Slavin in 1891-3?

Corbett no. Slavin post Jackson. Sullivan, depends on the shape he was in.

Goddard was tough, and could hit. A bit of a poor man's Jeffries.
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Old 01-21-2014, 04:33 AM   #11
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Corbett no. Slavin post Jackson. Sullivan, depends on the shape he was in.

Goddard was tough, and could hit. A bit of a poor man's Jeffries.
Say the Sullivan that faced Corbett?
Prime for prime Goddard v Slavin was one big fight that should have happened, a hard one to call.
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Old 01-21-2014, 05:54 AM   #12
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Corbett no. Slavin post Jackson. Sullivan, depends on the shape he was in.

Goddard was tough, and could hit. A bit of a poor man's Jeffries.
Goddard was a big banger,given the breaks he might have got to the top.imo.He was not a poor facsimile of anyone.

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Say the Sullivan that faced Corbett?
Prime for prime Goddard v Slavin was one big fight that should have happened, a hard one to call.
I cant see him beating Sullivan. Goddard was there to be hit (unlike Corbett). And this sullivan, if nothing else was very game and could take plenty of punishment. At best for Goddard, it turns into a war with both guys landing plenty of leather. Given Sullivans proven power, heart and will to win, i get the impression that it is only a matter of time before he gets the better of Goddard.
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Old 01-22-2014, 04:55 AM   #14
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I cant see him beating Sullivan. Goddard was there to be hit (unlike Corbett). And this sullivan, if nothing else was very game and could take plenty of punishment. At best for Goddard, it turns into a war with both guys landing plenty of leather. Given Sullivans proven power, heart and will to win, i get the impression that it is only a matter of time before he gets the better of Goddard.
I agree a prime Sullivan murders him but I'm talking 1982 Sullivan, bloated, inactive, dissipated with a gammy arm-I think Joe could have beaten that version.
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I agree a prime Sullivan murders him but I'm talking 1982 Sullivan, bloated, inactive, dissipated with a gammy arm-I think Joe could have beaten that version.
Definitely, Goddard was a good chance, possibly he even deserved favouritism based on the obvious decline of Sullivan.

Still, i just get the feeling that an old sullivan would tough out a win against a very good Goddard by virtue of the fact that he would be able to hit Goddard far more regularly than he would Corbett. In fact, i think that this version of Sullivan actually had a better chance against Jackson than he did Corbett. I think that Corbett was the worst opponent possible for Sullivan and his performance in lasting as long as he did was actually a great one.

In saying all this, what would i know, I would back the Jeffries that fought Johnson to Knock out Sam Langford or Stanley Ketchell, and if alive at the time of the fights, would probably have backed Jeffries to beat Johnson, Dempsey to beat Tunney, and probably even Sullivan to beat Corbett, Louis to beat Marciano etc.


I suppose it would not really be until somewhere around Ali vs Foreman or Ali Spinks II that i would start to look somewhat sane
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