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Old 06-27-2007, 08:36 AM   #1
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Default Did anyone accept VITALI as the legitimate heavyweight champion when he beat Sanders?

People seem very mixed on the subject, but Ring magazine did award him their belt. I for one think he deserved it.. his only real logical competition at the time was Johnson and Sanders, and he beat them both. And Sanders vacated the WBO title in order to fight Vitali, so I suppose that can be looked at as a unification of the sorts.

What are your thoughts?

And why are people often so mixed on this subject?
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Old 06-27-2007, 08:38 AM   #2
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Default Re: Did anyone accept VITALI as the legitimate heavyweight champion when he beat Sanders?

No--I didn't because they leap frogged Byrd at the time. Byrd was on a huge winning streak and was 1-2 for quite awhile. As I recall, he was suppose to get a shot at Lewis but Lewis dropped the title so Byrd fought Holyfield for it. Byrd had a win over VK so how he could be leap frogged at that time was a joke. The Ring jumped the gun on this one.


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Old 06-27-2007, 08:39 AM   #3
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Old 06-27-2007, 08:41 AM   #4
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Default Re: Did anyone accept VITALI as the legitimate heavyweight champion when he beat Sanders?

Despite the loss, Vitali won the respect of many in the Lewis fight. Byrd was overlooked, perhaps unfairly, due to his relative inactivity at the time. I personally found it a bit confusing given that Byrd had beaten Vitali.
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Old 06-27-2007, 08:44 AM   #5
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Default Re: Did anyone accept VITALI as the legitimate heavyweight champion when he beat Sanders?

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No--I didn't because they leap frogged Byrd at the time. Byrd was on a huge winning streak and was 1-2 for quite awhile. As I recall, he was suppose to get a shot at Lewis but Lewis dropped the title so Byrd fought Holyfield for it. Byrd had a win over VK so how he could be leap frogged at that time was a joke. The Ring jumped the gun on this one.


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Yeah, I didn't think of that.. Byrd does have a W over Vitali. Althought Byrd wasn't necessarily a major threat to Vitali ( unless he injured himself during the fight again ), I guess it's debatable that he should have to get threw Byrd first. But on the other hand.... Sanders was number 2 heavyweight in the world at the time, right? Ring magazine awards their belts based on the outcome of a fight between the number 1 and 2 ranked fighters of a division.

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Old 06-27-2007, 08:45 AM   #6
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lol. Byrd 'beat' Vitali....RIIIIIGHT! Let's get our facts right shall we? Byrd was getting his ass whooped!!!!!! And Vitali quit with a shaoulder injury.

Better to fight @ 100% and win than lose when injured I guess people still can't understand that though. :S
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Old 06-27-2007, 08:48 AM   #7
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Default Re: Did anyone accept VITALI as the legitimate heavyweight champion when he beat Sanders?

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lol. Byrd 'beat' Vitali....RIIIIIGHT! Let's get our facts right shall we? Byrd was getting his ass whooped!!!!!! And Vitali quit with a shaoulder injury.

Better to fight @ 100% and win than lose when injured I guess people still can't understand that though. :S
I agree with you, and that may have something to do with Vitali being the Ring champion. But, despite the circumstance, still a "W" for Byrd.
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Old 06-27-2007, 08:51 AM   #8
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I am a Vitali fan but I didn't think he was the true champion. He was in my opinion the best fighter at heavyweight and I beleive had the ability to be the unified champion but potential doesn't mean a thing. A fighter doesn't become a champion by having the potential but by acheiveing his potential.
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Old 06-27-2007, 08:56 AM   #9
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Default Re: Did anyone accept VITALI as the legitimate heavyweight champion when he beat Sanders?

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lol. Byrd 'beat' Vitali....RIIIIIGHT! Let's get our facts right shall we? Byrd was getting his ass whooped!!!!!! And Vitali quit with a shaoulder injury.

Better to fight @ 100% and win than lose when injured I guess people still can't understand that though. :S



Ok--Let's get ouf facts straight---Byrd won that fight and got the W--thats all that counts. VK QUIT. I don't care what happened the 10 rounds before that. VK quit. Byrd won. End of story.

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Yeah, I didn't think of that.. Byrd does have a W over Vitali. Althought Byrd wasn't necessarily a major threat to Vitali ( unless he injured himself during the fight again ), I guess it's debatable that he should have to get threw Byrd first. But on the other hand.... Sanders was number 2 heavyweight in the world at the time, right? Ring magazine awards their belts based on the outcome of a fight between the number 1 and 2 ranked fighters of a division.


If I recall---VK was 1, Byrd was 2, and Sanders was 3. VK leapfrogged Byrd in the rankings based on a loss to Lewis. Byrd had been 1 for awhile and was on quite a win streak at that time.
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Old 06-27-2007, 09:22 AM   #11
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If I recall---VK was 1, Byrd was 2, and Sanders was 3. VK leapfrogged Byrd in the rankings based on a loss to Lewis. Byrd had been 1 for awhile and was on quite a win streak at that time.

How's that possible? Wladimir was pretty much universally recognized as the " heir to the throne " and then he get's shockingly defeated by Sanders. I don't see how Byrd could've been number 2.
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Default Re: Did anyone accept VITALI as the legitimate heavyweight champion when he beat Sanders?

Of course. Who else at that time would be considered champ besides the winner of that clash?
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Old 06-27-2007, 09:22 AM   #13
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Default Re: Did anyone accept VITALI as the legitimate heavyweight champion when he beat Sanders?

He wasn't Lineal. But I recognize him as a former Champ just like Marvin Hart is also a former Champ. Well, more than a Champ, Klit was an important Claimant, like Maher, Hart, Burns...
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Old 06-27-2007, 09:39 AM   #14
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Default Re: Did anyone accept VITALI as the legitimate heavyweight champion when he beat Sanders?

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How's that possible? Wladimir was pretty much universally recognized as the " heir to the throne " and then he get's shockingly defeated by Sanders. I don't see how Byrd could've been number 2.

I'll have to check my old Ring mags from that time--but I'm pretty sure I'm right. I'll get back to you this evening.


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Old 06-27-2007, 09:41 AM   #15
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Default Re: Did anyone accept VITALI as the legitimate heavyweight champion when he beat Sanders?

Yes. He already gave the legitimate champion(Lewis) HELL and was running after him for almost a year to get a rematch and blew away Kirk Johnson when he had to. So yes, he DID become the legitimate champion.
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