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Old 05-21-2010, 08:22 AM   #31
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I think Vic's best weight and most effective weight is superfly. Definitely does not look as powerful at bantam. Can't bully his opponents like he could at fly and superfly. I think he might be biting more than he can chew in terms of wanting to fight the Vasquez-Marquez winner.
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Old 05-21-2010, 09:11 AM   #32
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I think Vic's best weight and most effective weight is superfly. Definitely does not look as powerful at bantam. Can't bully his opponents like he could at fly and superfly. I think he might be biting more than he can chew in terms of wanting to fight the Vasquez-Marquez winner.

not as much as when he once wanted to future challenge pac..
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:15 PM   #33
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not as much as when he once wanted to future challenge pac..
Don't think he was really serious about those comments. Sounded more like self promotion more than anything else.
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Old 05-21-2010, 10:43 PM   #34
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Maybe it was the broken hand, but Vic didn't look right, he took a lot of good punches, he did ok considering he only threw a couple of combos
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Old 05-21-2010, 10:49 PM   #35
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Old 05-22-2010, 12:09 AM   #36
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The daily telegraph site has a pic of an xray with a broken hand saying it's Vics.
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Old 05-22-2010, 08:21 PM   #37
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Now Straight Left, I've let you go in the past when you've tried to take my comments out of perspective but here are the facts -

1.) I am no hater of Vic. These are your words, and generally used by people such as yourself when heaven forbid someone comments in perspective, or more so, has a differing opinion that one is entitled too about fighters. It's what makes boxing or actually any sport for that matter.

(Do I like Pretty Boy Floyd and his demeanour, probably fair to say no, but do I acknowledge him as one of the best P4P of all time - of course I do! Does that make me a hater, simply not.)

2.) Vic has achieved some fantastic milestones in his career for which I applaud whole-heartedly.

3.) At what point did I say in my post that Vic's over rated? (Again, your words)

I made my comment to the original post that it's to be kept in perspective against the acheivements of both Pac and Pretty Boy Floyd and generally speaking, I would think most boxing fans would agree, or at least acknowledge my perspective.

I support Australian boxing, hence why I enjoy being involved in the industry but don't come on here with your blind faith after you get bit's and pieces comments thrown to you and then you formulate that into your own version of fact.

Myself and a lot of people on here have followed boxing all our lives, and for some on here, been involved also, so it's fair to say we know how to judge the context of results.

Vic is right up there for mine with his record with the modern day Aussie greats such as Fenech and Kostya. The only thing IN MY OPINION, is that the lower weight classes, barring some of his opponents on his record do not stack up against the likes/quality of opponents both Fenech and Kostya fought. However, this doesn't make me think less of his record/achievements as you can only beat whose in front of you.

Have I made my point clear enough for you?
Actually your points are quite muddled to say the least. Are you now calling yourself a expert in boxing or are these your opinions that just back up your muddled thoughts.

Granted you think Fenech and Kostya are ahead of Vic.

Its really good to see your unbiased views in action Contendo. Fenech fought for the IBF when the IBF was similar in reputation to the present IBO. Satoshi Shingaki was 8-1 who retired 11-3. Vic Darchinyan fought Irene Pacheco who was 30-0 and KO'd him in his own backyard. Fenech then won his second title against a Thai that was 14-0 for his second title, that had fought only 3 guys with winning records. Darchinyan beat a guy that had never been KO'd in Dimitry Kirilov and smacked his arse in 5 rounds. He then went and beat a top 10 P4P fighter in Mijares and unified the division for the first time in the history of the division and the sport.

Vic has been fighting "AWAY" for half of his career in his opponents backyards and has come back with the gold all but 2 times. Kosyta didnt even leave his division. Fenech won belts in 3 seperate divisions, Kostya unified one divison, Vic has done what both these fighters have achieved. And is still capable of achieving more.

And before you pass on your boxing industry virtues onto me, I have been around boxing for many years, helping Elias Nasser in other business activities, I dont profess to being a expert, I just love watching the sport. I have heard from Elias's mouth that you want Billy Dib to fight Vic Darchinyan. Thats the reason why I niggle at your comments when you obviously enjoy mocking Vic's accent. If your going to have a go at someone , look at yourself.

And in MY OPINION , your fighter has massive potential and looks the goods BUT have your fighter step up and fight the best in Australia , before you challenge one of the best in the WORLD and certainly one of the best in Australian boxing history. It easy to fire off shots mate, but you need to know the boxing industry is very small and what you say or type gets around very quickly.
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Old 05-23-2010, 01:06 AM   #38
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Actually your points are quite muddled to say the least. Are you now calling yourself a expert in boxing or are these your opinions that just back up your muddled thoughts.

Granted you think Fenech and Kostya are ahead of Vic.

Its really good to see your unbiased views in action Contendo. Fenech fought for the IBF when the IBF was similar in reputation to the present IBO. Satoshi Shingaki was 8-1 who retired 11-3. Vic Darchinyan fought Irene Pacheco who was 30-0 and KO'd him in his own backyard. Fenech then won his second title against a Thai that was 14-0 for his second title, that had fought only 3 guys with winning records. Darchinyan beat a guy that had never been KO'd in Dimitry Kirilov and smacked his arse in 5 rounds. He then went and beat a top 10 P4P fighter in Mijares and unified the division for the first time in the history of the division and the sport.

Vic has been fighting "AWAY" for half of his career in his opponents backyards and has come back with the gold all but 2 times. Kosyta didnt even leave his division. Fenech won belts in 3 seperate divisions, Kostya unified one divison, Vic has done what both these fighters have achieved. And is still capable of achieving more.

And before you pass on your boxing industry virtues onto me, I have been around boxing for many years, helping Elias Nasser in other business activities, I dont profess to being a expert, I just love watching the sport. I have heard from Elias's mouth that you want Billy Dib to fight Vic Darchinyan. Thats the reason why I niggle at your comments when you obviously enjoy mocking Vic's accent. If your going to have a go at someone , look at yourself.

And in MY OPINION , your fighter has massive potential and looks the goods BUT have your fighter step up and fight the best in Australia , before you challenge one of the best in the WORLD and certainly one of the best in Australian boxing history. It easy to fire off shots mate, but you need to know the boxing industry is very small and what you say or type gets around very quickly.




See Straight Left, you still can't quote accurately can you??? At what point do I quote or refer to myself as an expert? This is a forum on here open for debate and opinion.

We can debate the championship virtues and credentials of Vic, Fenech and Kostya, as will older guy's with Rose, Famechon, Patrick etc all day long which is a good thing, however I am passing
MY opinion and stand by as such. Again I state that I am a fan of Vic but you consider this to be different.

Let me say this, Mr Nasser is well aware of my intent to match Billy vs. Vic, I’ve never hidden the fact from him and told him to his face at the April Grange show at La Montage. It makes little difference to me that you know it or whoever. The boxing industry may be small but your making out that you have some sort of inside ‘scoop’ when all your doing is getting fringe comments thrown to you by Elias.


A challenge does not disrespect Vic, it's what boxing is about - challenges and to be frank it's a sign of respect that challengers are out there wanting to fight him. Vic, and I safely assume Elias would acknowledge, is not immune to other boxers wanting to challenge him as Vic has done making challenges to the likes of Vasquez and Marquez, as well as one period last year challenging Manny Pac! Calling out world-rated Featherweights and higher division champions makes Vic as much as a target as the next person.


I know for a fact many of the people I speak with see a potential Billy / Vic fight as one that has great appeal. Good debate and discussion may lead to the Australian boxing fans wanting the fight, thus making it advantageous to both Vic and Billy. Vic and Elias always talk about wanting big bouts back here in Australia, well Vic has a world-rated Featherweight sitting right here in Billy Dib so potentially, it’s a good Australian bout.


Vic is doing his thing, where doing ours focusing on IBF champ - Orlando Salido or WBA champ - Chris John, whoever presents first and seeing what eventuates for us there. If Billy's and Vic's paths were to cross in the future, fantastic for all. We’d welcome the opportunity to feel Vic’s ‘power’!

I don't niggle at your comments, I actually find them quite funny actually but remember, when your singing from the Vic song sheet as you do, not all of us have to agree with the song.

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Straight Left... Why should Kostya have 'left' his division??

He dominated the bloody 140lbs division like no other in the games history. Why put on unnatural, or excess weight in order to move into another division? He was comfortable at 140 right up until the Hatton bout.... his only struggle with weight was in that fight. Inactivity and injury plaqued his last 5 years... not weight dramas.

Ducking and dodging opponents for the sake of seeking out easy grab belts is ****ing ludicrous and belies the reason so many bullshit governing bodies are financially existing. Tszyu stuck to his guns and faced all willing to attempt uprooting him at 140. One got him on a bad night, the other got him in his last fight. Either way, he reclaimed what was rightfully his and defended it to the hilt where possible.
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See Straight Left, you still can't quote accurately can you??? At what point do I quote or refer to myself as an expert? This is a forum on here open for debate and opinion.

We can debate the championship virtues and credentials of Vic, Fenech and Kostya, as will older guy's with Rose, Famechon, Patrick etc all day long which is a good thing, however I am passing
MY opinion and stand by as such. Again I state that I am a fan of Vic but you consider this to be different.

Let me say this, Mr Nasser is well aware of my intent to match Billy vs. Vic, I’ve never hidden the fact from him and told him to his face at the April Grange show at La Montage. It makes little difference to me that you know it or whoever. The boxing industry may be small but your making out that you have some sort of inside ‘scoop’ when all your doing is getting fringe comments thrown to you by Elias.


A challenge does not disrespect Vic, it's what boxing is about - challenges and to be frank it's a sign of respect that challengers are out there wanting to fight him. Vic, and I safely assume Elias would acknowledge, is not immune to other boxers wanting to challenge him as Vic has done making challenges to the likes of Vasquez and Marquez, as well as one period last year challenging Manny Pac! Calling out world-rated Featherweights and higher division champions makes Vic as much as a target as the next person.


I know for a fact many of the people I speak with see a potential Billy / Vic fight as one that has great appeal. Good debate and discussion may lead to the Australian boxing fans wanting the fight, thus making it advantageous to both Vic and Billy. Vic and Elias always talk about wanting big bouts back here in Australia, well Vic has a world-rated Featherweight sitting right here in Billy Dib so potentially, it’s a good Australian bout.


Vic is doing his thing, where doing ours focusing on IBF champ - Orlando Salido or WBA champ - Chris John, whoever presents first and seeing what eventuates for us there. If Billy's and Vic's paths were to cross in the future, fantastic for all. We’d welcome the opportunity to feel Vic’s ‘power’!

I don't niggle at your comments, I actually find them quite funny actually but remember, when your singing from the Vic song sheet as you do, not all of us have to agree with the song.
Contendo you dont need to sing from the Vic song sheet. I sing from the supporting Australian boxing song sheet.

Also your comments are starting to become very fictional to say the least. I asked Elias today whether you spoke to him in regards to the fight at the La Montage, his comment and I quote "He said Hello to me and that was it" he said he heard about the challenge through a third party. So get your story right before you type up your reply. By the way I showed Elias what you said, he didnt seem to be very amused. maybe we should get him on to have a chat.
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Contendo you dont need to sing from the Vic song sheet. I sing from the supporting Australian boxing song sheet.

Also your comments are starting to become very fictional to say the least. I asked Elias today whether you spoke to him in regards to the fight at the La Montage, his comment and I quote "He said Hello to me and that was it" he said he heard about the challenge through a third party. So get your story right before you type up your reply. By the way I showed Elias what you said, he didn't seem to be very amused. maybe we should get him on to have a chat.

No probs Straight Left. Elias mustn't have remember the words too quickly - "Hey Elias, how are you, when are we going to let both of them fight?" He was sitting at his table as I was walking past going back out to the dressing rooms so I can clearly recall the conversation.

By all means at all any time show Elias what I've written, I'll happily stand by my comments. You seem to be the one quite happily mis-quoting myself on a number of occasions as I clearly pointed out.

As it stands, I'm more than happy to hear from Elias at any stage if he feels I'm out of order or 'not amused' as you put it. Again, there's certainly nothing I'm going to retract as there's been nothing worth retracting. I've acknowledged Vic's championship credentials yet you still appear to try and want to make it differ from this. You've been the one who's caught out with your form of 'fiction'.

It's just a simple case of you and I differing on opinion. I'm sure both yourself, and I know I won't for what it's worth, lose any sleep over it.

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Old 05-24-2010, 06:57 PM   #42
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Straight Left... Why should Kostya have 'left' his division??

He dominated the bloody 140lbs division like no other in the games history. Why put on unnatural, or excess weight in order to move into another division? He was comfortable at 140 right up until the Hatton bout.... his only struggle with weight was in that fight. Inactivity and injury plaqued his last 5 years... not weight dramas.

Ducking and dodging opponents for the sake of seeking out easy grab belts is ****ing ludicrous and belies the reason so many bullshit governing bodies are financially existing. Tszyu stuck to his guns and faced all willing to attempt uprooting him at 140. One got him on a bad night, the other got him in his last fight. Either way, he reclaimed what was rightfully his and defended it to the hilt where possible.
i dont belive he was saying kostya should have left his division, he just pointed out that he didnt, & vic is leaving his comfort zone to get more titles. thats all.
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