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Old 10-16-2007, 07:55 AM   #1
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Tunney won the poll on who do you want to read the most. This thread will be dedicated to Gene Tunney newspaper reads.

I'll start off with Tunney's lone official loss to the great Harry Greb. I beleive if this fight had taken place in modern times, its a NC because Greb smashed his head into Tunney's nose, and face in round one, which created a lot of bleeding and cuts. This news read doesn't go into detail on it, but its there in other reads. Tunney received a standing ovation from in making the distance. Thought erudite, Tunney was in fact tough as nails.

At any rate, here is Tunney vs Greb.


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As I said before, sometimes we get misconceptions of fighters that are not true. Many beleive that Tunney was mostly a quick move and jab type of fighter who occasionally threw the right hand. This is false. In truth, Tunney had a mean body attack, and could really in-fight when he wanted to. The shot he hurt Gibbons ( Which is filmed and I have seen ) with was vicious. ANother under rated part of Tunney's game was stamina. Tunney could fight all night.

Here is the Tunney vs Levinsky read. Note those body punches from Tunney.


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Old 10-16-2007, 08:20 AM   #3
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Tunney vs Roberts:

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Tunney won the poll on who do you want to read the most. This thread will be dedicated to Gene Tunney newspaper reads.

I'll start off with Tunney's lone official loss to the great Harry Greb. I beleive if this fight had taken place in modern times, its a NC because Greb smashed his head into Tunney's nose, and face in round one, which causes a lot of bleeding and cuts. This news read doesn't go into detail on it, but its there in other reads. Tunney received a standing ovation from in making the distance. Thought erudite, Tunney was in fact tough as nails.

At any rate, here is Tunney vs Greb.


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I read that Tunney spent two weeks in bed after this fight.He later said that he learned to counter grebs charges withshort hooks and uppercuts to the midsection and chest area.Loughran in contrast said knowing that greb started fast ,and accelerated ,he came out even quicker and tried to take the play away from Harry.Greb did but Tunney very early in the fight but its still a marvellous win for him considering the weight he was conceding to a very good man.Greb is quoted as telling Tunney later in there careers "I dont want no more of you ,youre getting too big and too tough".
Greb also picked Tunney to beat Dempsey ,against the consensus of opinion.
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Tunney defeats Loughran, knocks him down. Fight took place in Loughran's home town.

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Old 10-16-2007, 08:41 AM   #6
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A trivia questions. Who was the first heavyweight champion to get a hole in one?

TUNNEY GETS GOLF ACE; Sinks Drive of 179 Yards at Pinehurst, Then Celebrates


Gene Tunney made his first golfing ace today, and his feat so thrilled the former heavyweight boxing champion that he celebrated by buying a case of champagne for his threesome's Negro caddies.
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Tunney defeats Loughran, knocks him down. Fight took place in Loughran's home town.
Local source (Philadelphia Inquirer) claimed the opposite result.

LOUGHRAN WINS BY RALLY AFTER BEING FLOORED BY TUNNEY
Tommy Outboxes Gene in Sensational Bout After Weathering a Stormy First Round. Local Boy's Great Finish in 7th and 8th Sessions Thrills 22,000 Fans
By PERRY LEWIS

RISING from the ashes of defeat, groggy and spent, Tommy Loughran, middleweight pride of Philadelphia, fought his way to a hair-line decision over Gene Tunney, former light heavyweight champion of America, in eight vicious rounds at the Phillies' tall park last night.
Early in the first round Loughran stepped into a vicious right lead as he was coming in. Tunney's big fist landed flush on the point of the Loughran jaw, and down went the local youth as though tagged with an axe. The fallen gladiator was hovering on the verge of unconciousness, groggy and looking out upon a sea of 22,000 faces with glazed eyes, but, nevertheless, he assayed to arise without taking a count.
Had Loughran succeeded in standing erect, he would undoubtedly have been knocked out then and there. His knees, however, were just clear of the floor when he heard the frenzied cries of his seconds to stay down for the count. Tommy heeded, and after taking the full count, arose to achieve ultimate victory, the most notable triumph of his dazzling career.

Landed Cleaner Blows
For Loughran won: not by a wide margin, for the fight was as close as the newspaper persons parked to Bay nothing of packed, around the ringside. He won because he landed the cleaner and sharper blows. He won because of his amazing rally in the seventh and eighth rounds. He won by virtue of his superior ringcraft and masterly defense. To those far removed from the ringside it must have seemed that Tunney was handing Loughran a lacing. He did punch Tommy hard a number of times, but many blows which, from a distance appeared to reach the target, were either blocked, were short or they simply brushed the Philadelphian without doing any real harm.
Loughran entered the ring weighing 163 pounds, and Tunney was just ten pounds heavier and looked it. And Gene did not fail to take every advantage of this added poundage. He was on top of the Philadelphian all of the time, lying on him and wearing him down. Nevertheless, Loughran seldom failed to completely tie the New Yorker up at close quarters, and at the end of the bout his exhaustion was due more to the mauling Tunney gave him than to the gloves he had stopped.

Loughran Lands Cleaner Punches
Although Loughran landed often and hard on his opponent, pecking away at Tunney's mouth with that rapier-like left jab and finding a target for many rights, the former champion was at no time in danger. The Philadelphian has not yet developed enough of a punch to do more than annoy such a boxer as Tunney, but be did land many more cleaner and sharper blow's than his adversary.
On the other hand, Loughran was always in danger. Tunney is a hard hitter, sufficiently hard to knock a Loughran out of the ball park could he have landed. That one murderous punch in the first round right to the button is a case in point. It was per-best blow Tunney landed. It was perfectly timed and delivered with the force of a pile driver, nnd Loughran could not have taken another one like it at any time during the action.
To the end Gene tried manfully to get that right to the jaw again, and although he realized early that Loughran could not hurt him seriously, he could not make the grade, all of which is very eloquent testimony of the soundness of the Philadelphian's defense.

Tunney's Mouth Damaged
Longhran's left jab was working in all its pristine glory, which is recording a pageful. Early in the bout the local left drew blood from the big boy's mouth, and to the end the damaged featured dripped gore. Every time Tunney's seconds succeeded in cleaning up their warrior's face, Loughran was waiting out there with a few more left jabs to mess things up again.
As the scrivener recorded the thing, Tunney carried the first and the sixth rounds. The third and the fifth were even. Loughran had a mere shade the best of the second and fourth and thus they went into the seventh all even. It was the local lad's dazzling rally in those last two rounds which entitled him to a hair-line decision.
Where Loughran found the strength and stamina to finish as he did is a mystery. It was the hardest fight he ever had. He had been knocked flat in the first round. For six rounds he had been waging a grueling battle against a man ten pounds heavier than he, and a man who knew best how to use those ten pounds. And yet, Loughran had enough left to go out in the last two rounds and edge under the wire a winner.

The Boxer Won
It was simply a case of a little man and a master boxer, but lacking in a dangerous punch, in there against a big man with a wallop but of far less boxing skill. The little man avoided a punch which would have been certain to ruin him and meantime scored enough himself to win.
He outboxed his big rival.
Probably in a longer bout Loughran would be beaten down and knocked out by Tunney. But last night the boys were boxing eight rounds.
The biggest crowd of the outdoor season jammed its way into the ball park to see Loughran and Tunney maul each other, and for a few minutes it seemed certain that all hands would be disappointed. The weather was so threatening that the promoters elected to put on the windup before the Chaney-France melee, and then, when a few drops fell as Brown and Pal Moran were mingling, they shortened that brawl to six rounds and they went ahead with the heavy stuff.

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Local source (Philadelphia Inquirer) claimed the opposite result.

LOUGHRAN WINS BY RALLY AFTER BEING FLOORED BY TUNNEY
Tommy Outboxes Gene in Sensational Bout After Weathering a Stormy First Round. Local Boy's Great Finish in 7th and 8th Sessions Thrills 22,000 Fans
By PERRY LEWIS

RISING from the ashes of defeat, groggy and spent, Tommy Loughran, middleweight pride of Philadelphia, fought his way to a hair-line decision over Gene Tunney, former light heavyweight champion of America, in eight vicious rounds at the Phillies' tall park last night.
Early in the first round Loughran stepped into a vicious right lead as he was coming in. Tunney's big fist landed flush on the point of the Loughran jaw, and down went the local youth as though tagged with an axe. The fallen gladiator was hovering on the verge of unconciousness, groggy and looking out upon a sea of 22,000 faces with glazed eyes, but, nevertheless, he assayed to arise without taking a count.
Had Loughran succeeded in standing erect, he would undoubtedly have been knocked out then and there. His knees, however, were just clear of the floor when he heard the frenzied cries of his seconds to stay down for the count. Tommy heeded, and after taking the full count, arose to achieve ultimate victory, the most notable triumph of his dazzling career.

Landed Cleaner Blows
For Loughran won: not by a wide margin, for the fight was as close as the newspaper persons parked to Bay nothing of packed, around the ringside. He won because he landed the cleaner and sharper blows. He won because of his amazing rally in the seventh and eighth rounds. He won by virtue of his superior ringcraft and masterly defense. To those far removed from the ringside it must have seemed that Tunney was handing Loughran a lacing. He did punch Tommy hard a number of times, but many blows which, from a distance appeared to reach the target, were either blocked, were short or they simply brushed the Philadelphian without doing any real harm.
Loughran entered the ring weighing 163 pounds, and Tunney was just ten pounds heavier and looked it. And Gene did not fail to take every advantage of this added poundage. He was on top of the Philadelphian all of the time, lying on him and wearing him down. Nevertheless, Loughran seldom failed to completely tie the New Yorker up at close quarters, and at the end of the bout his exhaustion was due more to the mauling Tunney gave him than to the gloves he had stopped.

Loughran Lands Cleaner Punches
Although Loughran landed often and hard on his opponent, pecking away at Tunney's mouth with that rapier-like left jab and finding a target for many rights, the former champion was at no time in danger. The Philadelphian has not yet developed enough of a punch to do more than annoy such a boxer as Tunney, but be did land many more cleaner and sharper blow's than his adversary.
On the other hand, Loughran was always in danger. Tunney is a hard hitter, sufficiently hard to knock a Loughran out of the ball park could he have landed. That one murderous punch in the first round right to the button is a case in point. It was per-best blow Tunney landed. It was perfectly timed and delivered with the force of a pile driver, nnd Loughran could not have taken another one like it at any time during the action.
To the end Gene tried manfully to get that right to the jaw again, and although he realized early that Loughran could not hurt him seriously, he could not make the grade, all of which is very eloquent testimony of the soundness of the Philadelphian's defense.

Tunney's Mouth Damaged
Longhran's left jab was working in all its pristine glory, which is recording a pageful. Early in the bout the local left drew blood from the big boy's mouth, and to the end the damaged featured dripped gore. Every time Tunney's seconds succeeded in cleaning up their warrior's face, Loughran was waiting out there with a few more left jabs to mess things up again.
As the scrivener recorded the thing, Tunney carried the first and the sixth rounds. The third and the fifth were even. Loughran had a mere shade the best of the second and fourth and thus they went into the seventh all even. It was the local lad's dazzling rally in those last two rounds which entitled him to a hair-line decision.
Where Loughran found the strength and stamina to finish as he did is a mystery. It was the hardest fight he ever had. He had been knocked flat in the first round. For six rounds he had been waging a grueling battle against a man ten pounds heavier than he, and a man who knew best how to use those ten pounds. And yet, Loughran had enough left to go out in the last two rounds and edge under the wire a winner.

The Boxer Won
It was simply a case of a little man and a master boxer, but lacking in a dangerous punch, in there against a big man with a wallop but of far less boxing skill. The little man avoided a punch which would have been certain to ruin him and meantime scored enough himself to win.
He outboxed his big rival.
Probably in a longer bout Loughran would be beaten down and knocked out by Tunney. But last night the boys were boxing eight rounds.
The biggest crowd of the outdoor season jammed its way into the ball park to see Loughran and Tunney maul each other, and for a few minutes it seemed certain that all hands would be disappointed. The weather was so threatening that the promoters elected to put on the windup before the Chaney-France melee, and then, when a few drops fell as Brown and Pal Moran were mingling, they shortened that brawl to six rounds and they went ahead with the heavy stuff.

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Thats my point about NO DECISIONS,they are open to partisan interpretation,so I consider them just what they are titled ,NO DECISIONS.In fairness to Loughran he was 20 and still developing both physically and in boxing ability,Tunney was at 25 a far more experienced and mature fighter at this stage of their careers.
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Old 10-16-2007, 02:17 PM   #9
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Next Tunney vs the gorillia. He wrote a story (When he was HIGH on drugs) on how he would whip Jojo.
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Old 10-16-2007, 06:27 PM   #10
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The read Seyna posted was a good one, but me mindful the Philadelphia Inquirer adored their home town boy in Loughran. When a local fighter faces another fighter from another state, sometimes the paper of the home fighter is a tad partial to their guy.

While Loughran was young for the match, he really did not lack experience. Loughran had 28 recorded fights, and had already mixed it with Greb and McTigue prior to facing Tunney.
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If your reply was meant forme,my point wasthat while Tunney also was still to mature into a heavyweight,he was ,5 years older ,and further along the road to being the finished article than Loughran.It isnt only partisan local newspapers that "interpret no decision fights in favour of their local boy",historians do it too.
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You attitude toward the 19 year old Loughran is certainly different than your attitude toward the 19 year old McVey. McVey was actually older, at 19 years 11 months, for his third fight with Johnson, and had knockouts of Martin and Carter on his resume. Loughran was 19 years and 9 months when he fought Tunney. He also had some impressive performances. Any arguement that Loughran was more advanced than McVey rests on the assumption that McVey did not have any more than the recorded fights, and going back over a hundred years, I don't see how we can be certain of that.

One difference, even the Tunney article claims the fight was close. The Loughran article sees Loughran winning. Johnson dominated McVey all three times.
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The read Seyna posted was a good one, but me mindful the Philadelphia Inquirer adored their home town boy in Loughran. When a local fighter faces another fighter from another state, sometimes the paper of the home fighter is a tad partial to their guy.

While Loughran was young for the match, he really did not lack experience. Loughran had 28 recorded fights, and had already mixed it with Greb and McTigue prior to facing Tunney.
The New York Times was a home town paper for Tunney.
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You attitude toward the 19 year old Loughran is certainly different than your attitude toward the 19 year old McVey. McVey was actually older, at 19 years 11 months, for his third fight with Johnson, and had knockouts of Martin and Carter on his resume. Loughran was 19 years and 9 months when he fought Tunney. He also had some impressive performances. Any arguement that Loughran was more advanced than McVey rests on the assumption that McVey did not have any more than the recorded fights, and going back over a hundred years, I don't see how we can be certain of that.

One difference, even the Tunney article claims the fight was close. The Loughran article sees Loughran winning. Johnson dominated McVey all three times.
This is because the Loughran who meet Tunney had many more recorded fights than McVey who meet Johnson did. You can add a few hidden fights for McVey if you do the same for Loughran. But let's go on what we know.



1 ) Amount of recorded fights:


Loughran had 28 fights before meeting Tunney. 28 fights is not green

McVey had but 6 fights before meeting Johnson. 6 fights is very green.



2 ) Quality of opposition:


Loughran was also tested vs better fighters ( Greb and McTigue )

It appears that McVey did not beat a man with a winning record. There is a huge different here.



3) Most rounds fought in a fight:

Loughran went 12 rounds before facing Tunney.

The most MCvey went was six rounds before facing Johnson. So, Lougrhan went double the distance in a fight, and probably fought at least 150 more rounds!

Summary: Any way you slice it, I see a big difference in experience between the two. Loghran had 22 more fights, fights vs world class opposition, and had already been 12 rounds. Aside form age, I suspect you would agree with me that Loughran had far more experience.
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Tunney vs Risko

CLEVELAND, Nov. 18 (AP). -- Gene Tunney, New York, received the decision over John Risko, Cleveland heavyweight, in twelve rounds here tonight. Tunney took six rounds and Risko two. Four were even. Tunney staggered Risko with blows to the stomach and jaw in three rounds but was unable to floor him. In the eleventh he pounded Risko without receiving return. Tunney weighed 188 pounds and Risko 192.
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