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Old 10-16-2007, 10:21 AM   #1
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Default Components that make a great boxer

Okay, this may be a bit of a daunting task, but I'm hoping to receive some participation on this one.

I'm going to make a list of components (no doubt which will be incomplete as I am sure I will be forgetting some) and am hoping you can respond with your top five (or ten would be even better) for each (independent of weight class).

Some of this may seem tedious, and some of these may overlap, but I'd still be curious to hear your answers.


1. Best Jab
2. Best Straight/Cross
3. Best Hooks
4. Best Uppercuts
5. Best Combination punching
6. Greatest ability to cut off the ring
7. Best counter-punchers
8. Best at slipping/dodging punches
9. Best at rolling with punches
10. Greatest in terms of ability to control the ring
11. Best ability to take a punch
12. Best ability to recover from a knockdown
13. Best ability to recover from multiple knockdowns and still have a chance to win
14. Best at bending the rules in his favor without getting caught
15. Best footwork
16. Greatest stamina
17. Greatest Determination/Will to Win
18. Best power (single punch)
19. Best power (accumulation)
20. Greatest ability to block punches
21. Best at imposing his will on his opponent
22. Best in terms of making his opponent fight his (style) fight
23. Best volume puncher
24. Most accurate puncher
25. Most accurate counter-puncher
26. Best finishers
27. Best survivers
28. Greatest in terms of ability to stick to a gameplan
29. Best at adapting to his opponent
30. The best in terms of keeping things competitive against superior foes

I know some of these 'components' overlap and I realize that there are no cut and dry answers for any of the aforementioned.

Just looking for a set of honest opinions/assesments from those who love the sport.

Of course, there are many fighters none of us have ever had the chance to see, and there are many fighters that some of us have not had the opportunity to see, even if such footage exists.

Base your answers on your best judgment. That can include on the basis of things you have read that lead you to lean one way or another, or it can exclude fighters you've not personally seen fight before.

Make sense? I hope so.

Anyway, interested in seeing where this goes.

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Old 10-16-2007, 10:30 AM   #2
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Good chin
Smart corner
Desire
Toughness
Natural ability
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Old 10-16-2007, 11:38 AM   #3
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Big bollocks. Metaphorically speaking.
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Old 10-16-2007, 03:39 PM   #4
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Damn....guess this one went over like a lead balloon.

Was hoping to get some response from those of you have a vast knowledge of the sport's long and illustrious history.
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Old 10-16-2007, 03:42 PM   #5
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What about best ref and best judges? They were Sven Ottke's greatest assets.
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Old 10-16-2007, 04:04 PM   #6
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumsfeld


1. Best Jab
2. Best Straight/Cross
3. Best Hooks
4. Best Uppercuts
5. Best Combination punching
6. Greatest ability to cut off the ring
7. Best counter-punchers
8. Best at slipping/dodging punches
9. Best at rolling with punches
10. Greatest in terms of ability to control the ring
11. Best ability to take a punch
12. Best ability to recover from a knockdown
13. Best ability to recover from multiple knockdowns and still have a chance to win
14. Best at bending the rules in his favor without getting caught
15. Best footwork
16. Greatest stamina
17. Greatest Determination/Will to Win
18. Best power (single punch)
19. Best power (accumulation)
20. Greatest ability to block punches
21. Best at imposing his will on his opponent
22. Best in terms of making his opponent fight his (style) fight
23. Best volume puncher
24. Most accurate puncher
25. Most accurate counter-puncher
26. Best finishers
27. Best survivers
28. Greatest in terms of ability to stick to a gameplan
29. Best at adapting to his opponent
30. The best in terms of keeping things competitive against superior foes




1. Larry Holmes
2. Ray Robinson
3. Bob Foster for left hook and Julian Jackson for left hook
4. Jack Johnson and Mike Tyson for uppercuts
5. Joe Louis, Ray Robinson
6. Joe Frazier, Henry Armstrong
7. Counter punching: can't remember
8. Willie Pep
9. Same
10. Monzon
11. LaMotta, Hagler, Monzon
12. Ali
13.
14. Duran
15. Conn, Tunney, Ali
16. Armstrong
17. Holyfield, Ali, alot actually
18. Foster, Hearns, Arguello, Robinson
19. Louis
20.
21.
22. Benny Leonard
23. Armstrong
24. Louis, Arguello
25.
26. Dempsey, Foster, SRR and Louis


the ones i left out are the ones i am still thinking about but if a boxer had these attributes he'd be unbeateble
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Old 10-16-2007, 04:52 PM   #7
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1. Best Jab - Liston, Holmes
2. Best Straight/Cross - Lewis, Foreman, Jackson, Hearns, Monzon
3. Best Hooks - Liston, Foster, Ward, Frazier
4. Best Uppercuts - Tyson, Toney, Zarate, Olivares, JCChavez
5. Best Combination punching - Hagler, Louis, Robinson, Duran, Mayweather Jr.
6. Greatest ability to cut off the ring - Frazier, Armstrong, Qawi, Johnson
7. Best counter-punchers - Hagler, Whitaker, Duran, E. Morales, J. Johnson
8. Best at slipping/dodging punches - Duran, Whitaker, Mayweather Jr., Pep, Toney, Jones Jr., Benitez
9. Best at rolling with punches - Duran, Ali, Pep, Toney, J. Johnson
10. Greatest in terms of ability to control the ring - Mayweather Jr., Whitaker, Locche, Monzon, J. Johnson
11. Best ability to take a punch - Ali, Chuvalo, LaMotta, Ross, Hagler, Basilio
12. Best ability to recover from a knockdown - Ali, Jack Johnson, Marciano
13. Best ability to recover from multiple knockdowns and still have a chance to win
14. Best at bending the rules in his favor without getting caught - Ali, Chavez
15. Best footwork - Ali, Robinson, Tunney, Mayweather Jr., Jack Johnson
16. Greatest stamina - Armstrong, Marciano, Monzon
17. Greatest Determination/Will to Win - Holyfield, Marciano, Ali, Gatti, Ward
18. Best power (single punch) - Foreman, Liston, Hearns, Foster
19. Best power (accumulation) - Louis, Ali, Hagler, Moore, Dempsey
20. Greatest ability to block punches - Wright, Jack Johnson
21. Best at imposing his will on his opponent - Hagler, Armstrong, Duran, Jack Johnson, Dempsey
22. Best in terms of making his opponent fight his (style) fight - Hopkins, Hagler
23. Best volume puncher - Armstrong, Frazier, Tyson
24. Most accurate puncher - Louis, Moore, Jack Johnson
25. Most accurate counter-puncher - Hagler
26. Best finishers - Hagler, Hearns, Dempsey, Leonard, Tyson
27. Best survivers - LaMotta,
28. Greatest in terms of ability to stick to a gameplan - Hopkins, Jack Johnson
29. Best at adapting to his opponent - Hopkins, Ali
30. The best in terms of keeping things competitive against superior foes - LaMotta
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Old 10-16-2007, 06:10 PM   #8
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All we need is a guy thats has

crushing power
Iron chin.
68 reach
185 pounds
and 5 foot ten.

We can teach him the basics. And he will go far.
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