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Old 06-04-2010, 03:37 PM   #61
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More padding than Calzaghe though, but still good.
True, but newspaper reports of the time paint him as being very prone to cuts: never being stopped in THAT many bouts? His resume is weak (and apparently in some way imbellished) but he beat a lot of good contenders.
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Old 06-04-2010, 03:39 PM   #62
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True, but newspaper reports of the time paint him as being very prone to cuts: never being stopped in THAT many bouts? His resume is weak (and apparently in some way imbellished) but he beat a lot of good contenders.
Thing is he didnt conform to the National Sporting Club that ruled boxing in that period, hence why he never got his title challenges, but this also ruled out alot of oppenents because they were NSC affiliated and were barred from fighting him. So alot of his opponents were 'toughman' non-professional level boxers.
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Old 06-04-2010, 03:42 PM   #63
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The early 1900's built men tough Greg that's for sure.
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Old 06-04-2010, 03:45 PM   #64
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The early 1900's built men tough Greg that's for sure.
Definitly.
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Old 06-05-2010, 09:13 AM   #65
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:11 AM   #66
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some names from yesteryears shows theres some very educated boxing posters on here, i was reminded of one boxer not mentioned, last night while watching, nappa v hall, and that was johnny owen from merthre tydvil. lost his life fighting lupe pintor for world title in mexico. you cant give a greater effort than that, may he never be forgotten.
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:18 AM   #67
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Also, Pat Cowdell
nice fellow pat, and a very good boxer, doing well with the promoting, hes a good trainer to,his boxer jimmy vincent, came close to being brit champ against barnes a few years ago.
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Old 06-05-2010, 11:08 AM   #68
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some names from yesteryears shows theres some very educated boxing posters on here, i was reminded of one boxer not mentioned, last night while watching, nappa v hall, and that was johnny owen from merthre tydvil. lost his life fighting lupe pintor for world title in mexico. you cant give a greater effort than that, may he never be forgotten.
Speaking of Owen, how do you think he matches up with Henderson? Questions for anyone.
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Speaking of Owen, how do you think he matches up with Henderson? Questions for anyone.
jesus, your very well read or a hundred years old , you will have to educate me on this one, tell me how he matches up, id love to know, im always willing to learn.
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Old 06-05-2010, 01:47 PM   #70
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jesus, your very well read or a hundred years old , you will have to educate me on this one, tell me how he matches up, id love to know, im always willing to learn.
I'll be honest I dont know too much on his style but he appears to have been a very good 'pure' boxer, Flea Man knows more about him, and rates him higher.
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A great fighter, and beat some notable Bantams, including 'Jock' Wallace and Dirk Windibank. Owens ranginess and toughness wouldn't be an issue as Henderson outpointed heavyweights in his day.

Owen would probably cut Henderson to shreds and outpunch him down the stretch. Hendersons lack of power would cost him against more 'modern' judges that's for sure, from the reports I've read he makes Ivan Calderon sound heavy handed
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would henry cooper be a candidate, he gave ali a good fight, they fought twice, but was ali champ at the time
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A great fighter, and beat some notable Bantams, including 'Jock' Wallace and Dirk Windibank. Owens ranginess and toughness wouldn't be an issue as Henderson outpointed heavyweights in his day.

Owen would probably cut Henderson to shreds and outpunch him down the stretch. Hendersons lack of power would cost him against more 'modern' judges that's for sure, from the reports I've read he makes Ivan Calderon sound heavy handed
sounds a very brave little fighter,the amount of fights he had wouldent have allowed him time to train, mind you with a schedule like that, he wouldent need to.
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A great fighter, and beat some notable Bantams, including 'Jock' Wallace and Dirk Windibank. Owens ranginess and toughness wouldn't be an issue as Henderson outpointed heavyweights in his day.

Owen would probably cut Henderson to shreds and outpunch him down the stretch. Hendersons lack of power would cost him against more 'modern' judges that's for sure, from the reports I've read he makes Ivan Calderon sound heavy handed
Henderson was abit ahead of his time in certain ways, clinched far to much though.

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sounds a very brave little fighter,the amount of fights he had wouldent have allowed him time to train, mind you with a schedule like that, he wouldent need to.
Alot os his fights are unconfirmed and are mostly made up of non (or semi) professional club fighters often with 3 or 4 fights a night against very limited opposition, in some cases think drunk people where he gets his case for beating Heavyweights, he never beat a 'named' or even professional opponent above Middleweight.

He often did not train and often weighed around the Feather or even Lightweight limit in many of his fights, especially in his famous tours.
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would henry cooper be a candidate, he gave ali a good fight, they fought twice, but was ali champ at the time
compared to the likes of elky clarke, johnny hill, alan rudkin, owen moran, jem driscoll, dave charnley, jock mcavoy, len harvey , bomber graham, johnny pritchett and michael watson, henry cooper hardly deserves a mention.some of these men came within a whisker of a world title.ali wasn't champ when cooper landed that hook
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