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Old 06-04-2010, 12:58 PM   #31
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Old 06-04-2010, 01:03 PM   #32
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The P4P list isn't about the most exiting boxer, otherwise Floyd wouldn't never had the top spot either but the relative ability and strength no matter the height and weight of the boxer.
I fell asleep too watching Ali in some bouts, but that doesn't mean he wasn't great!

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Old 06-04-2010, 01:13 PM   #33
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I measure P4P by dominance and competition fought. Say what you want about the heavyweights, but Wlad's been dominating top 3, top 5, and top 10 talent there for years and routinely shuts them out. He's fought 9 times since the Sam Peter fight 5 years ago and he's lost, perhaps, 5 rounds in that time. The guy averages losing less than a round a fight vs his opponents now- think about that. He hasn't just gone unbeaten over the past 5 years, he loses about a round a year. And he's getting more dominant as time's been going on.

And in the past 5 years time, he's a) won the title. b) unified. c) defended it 8 times.

Even for those who punish him for being a heavyweight, there's more than enough there to justify that high of a P4P ranking. He's one of the 3 most dominant fighters in the sport today along with Floyd and Pac. So, I don't have a problem at all with him being ranked third. In fact, the next time I make a p4p list that's where he'll be.
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Old 06-04-2010, 01:15 PM   #34
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Nobody gives a shit about p4p lists except the Ring one, which is The Worst. P4p is a retarded concept, but it seems to excite imbeciles...everybody can tell Floyd and Pacquiao are the best current fighters, no need for a ****ing list.
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I measure P4P by dominance and competition fought. Say what you want about the heavyweights, but Wlad's been dominating top 3, top 5, and top 10 talent there for years and routinely shuts them out. He's fought 9 times since the Sam Peter fight 5 years ago and he's lost, perhaps, 5 rounds in that time. The guy averages losing less than a round a fight vs his opponents now- think about that. He hasn't just gone unbeaten over the past 5 years, he loses about a round a year. And he's getting more dominant as time's been going on.

And in the past 5 years time, he's a) won the title. b) unified. c) defended it 8 times.

Even for those who punish him for being a heavyweight, there's more than enough there to justify that high of a P4P ranking. He's one of the 3 most dominant fighters in the sport today along with Floyd and Pac. So, I don't have a problem at all with him being ranked third. In fact, the next time I make a p4p list that's where he'll be.
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Old 06-04-2010, 04:19 PM   #36
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Klits are the texbook definition of boxers NOT deserving of p4p recognition.


... checks location... all i needed to see regarding your opinion on the matter
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Old 06-04-2010, 04:23 PM   #37
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TBH, I'd have a hard time placing Wlad in the top 5 p4p. He's good, but he's also a good 250 lbls in weight. p4p confuses me greatly.
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Old 06-04-2010, 04:38 PM   #38
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I don't think Wlad belongs on any P4P lists. He's a good fighter, but he's also bigger than everyone else.
It's hard for any heavyweight to be considered P4P. But, especially one who is reliant on being larger to win.
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Old 06-04-2010, 04:44 PM   #39
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Wlad is definitely top 5 and could easily be placed at 3 or 4.
Who is above him? Chad Dawson? Based on what? Beating Tarver and Johnson 2 times each?
The only two more deserving fighters are Pacquiao and Mayweather. The only reason everyone doesn't have Wlad at 3 is because of some myth that HW's can't be in the P4P rankings.
I didn't know this was a myth... There have been many many heavyweights in P4P rankings.
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Old 06-04-2010, 04:47 PM   #40
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fckin Donaire seriously in top10? I'd have Chris John, Lopez, Gamboa, Cab, all ahead of him
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