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Old 07-01-2007, 06:24 AM   #61
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Riddick Bowe, say no more.
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Old 07-01-2007, 07:34 AM   #62
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Excellent insights there. Eddie had some serious toolage but was far too passive far too often. You being so well versed in the era might remember that robber (Howard Smith?) setting up his supercard, Saad - Eddie, Hearns - Benitez and many more. Saad and Eddie said we can't fight, we are religious brothers. They upped the purse substancially and they changed their minds
What was his real name anyways, Ross Fields? (For a while there, he really did screw up Arum and King with his MAPS promotions.)
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Yeah, this is where we are getting mixed up. I don't believe Pryor wasted his talent in the time he was champ, he wasted it by burning out so soon when he should not have. If not for drugs etc he would have been not far at all from peak and certainly still in his prime when Curry's star burst forth. IMO Pryor peaked around the Arguello fights and was poised to cash in but SRL retired and he burnt out. He was always clamouring for the big fights and money and would have taken Curry on at a whim if still in top form.
True, but if I was The Hawk, I've be perfectly contented with the legacy he did achieve, nonetheless.
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Granted Holmes schooled Snipes but the facts are he was so close to being stopped it isn't funny. He reeled into the turnbuckle after rising from a very heavy KD. By contrast Page was never even remotely in that sort of trouble, tho a teeny bit less dominating than Holmes had been excepting the near stoppage. Kudo's to Larry's enormous heart and ability to hammer under duress. Great posts too by the way, been reading some of your work around the joint and it's thrilling to see someone who knows my (Sal's and many others) era so damn well, the nostalgic facts and points are a treat!
The foolishly rookie mistake Renaldo made was standing over Larry's prone form on the canvas, arms upraised in triumph, forcing the referee to turn his back on Larry to physically escort Snipes all the way across the ring to the far neutral corner, on the opposite side from where Larry had just been floored. It was as the referee's back was turned that Larry fell face forward into the nearest corner when he got up. If the referee had seen Larry's stumble into the ring post after getting up, perhaps he would have stopped the contest then and there, but Renaldo's foolish behavior and lack of respect for his opponent cost the referee the opportunity to see Larry stumble into the corner, face first.

Whatever is said about Larry's conduct outside the ring, he was all business when the belll rang, and gave his opponents the respect during competition they didn't always afford him. Larry boxed as the challenger who had something to prove, and he became a record setting champion in the process.(First undefeated boxer to win 20 consecutive title defenses, and the first champion to defend it successfully in eight consecutive calendar years.)

Thanks for the kind words about my posts. I have a very long way to go before I'm going to become satisfied with the quality of my comments, but having never posted anything on-line before, I seem to be getting received pretty well by the veteran members of this board, and hope to continue improving (as long as I avoid discussing issues I'm not sufficiently informed about).
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Old 07-02-2007, 12:22 PM   #63
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Old 07-02-2007, 12:47 PM   #64
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Benny Lynch
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:01 PM   #65
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my boy smokin' bert cooper, accomplished alot , he won 5 titles, but could have did alot more if he stayed away from drugs
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Old 07-02-2007, 03:53 PM   #66
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Naseem Hamed..
Ike ibeabuchi..
Riddick Bowe...

were too content and never seized the moment to its fullest..

Naz .......... too cash happy to return from a loss..

Ike just *******s....

Bowe never realised what he had..
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whats up with the word *******s......????????
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C R A C K E R S ...................

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Old 07-03-2007, 07:39 PM   #70
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Dwight's win over Parker was noteworthy and he had some talent but many fighters would be more worthy of a mention IMO. Over the course of his career he didn't really do much at all. Sibson was a pretty decent pug tho and got the most of his ability. From memory Sibson won easily didn't he?



I think you're concentrating on the wrong time period. Pryor beat Arguello again in late 83. Curry made the wrold sit up and take severe notice thru 84 and 85 culminating in his total anniliation of McCrory. This was December 85. He was ranked the second greatest fighter on earth behind Marvin Hagler. This is the Curry i am thinking of. This is the period i have in mind. If Pryor had not gone off the rails this fight would have been HUGE. Pryor's peak quotient without the drugs and burnout would have been excellent still of course. A victory over this Curry (moving up in weight to boot) would have been definitely more noteworthy than the victory over an aging and up in weight Arguello. Curry's star was bright, a fully fledged 147 pounds, great speed, excellent power, he appeared to have the lot. Personally i think this Curry was too strong, fast, big and technically sound for Pryor and would have stopped him. Pryor's open (and overwhelming at 140) and agressive style would have given Curry, at the peak of his sharpness more than enough chances to close the show IMO.



Personally i've learned not to take too much stock regarding some of the things fighters say when beaten. Page hammered Ward, a very fine heavyweight at the time. As a matter of fact i think Ward quit in his corner. Page certainly had little trouble landing some very substancial shots.

Dokes MAY have been a fraction quicker in his own way. One great writer once said, "Dokes is the fastest heavyweight in boxing - for 3 rounds". In his prime years he did lose snap pretty quick.

Berbick. A few points. This was a big step up for the up and coming Page. He blamed boiling down to a too light weight to please the critics as a significant point in this loss. He also broke his right thumb very early. Regardless Berbick's smothering style and excellent strength was always going to trouble Page at any time. Page's best weight IMO would have been high 220's. The best shape i ever seen him in was Snipes. Perfect weight and good shape.



Where have you been all my life?!?!!? Totally agree, Eddie was so damn talented it's a fukking tragedy. If he didn't have to lose 30 odd pounds in not time i think he might have taken Spinks. As it was he was smoothly outboxing him before drainage set in and his eye was closed. Sensational talent.
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