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Old 06-16-2010, 08:08 PM   #61
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You need educating Bobby. Maske and Hill were fabulous fighters. Czyz too is very under-rated.
Nothing to do with education Jeff mate. They were very good fighters but not great ones.

Oh, and the CW's of '93 own today's division, which is thread bare. I mean Wamba, Norris, Czyz, even Warring as boring as he was together are better than the top guys around CW today.
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Old 06-17-2010, 02:24 AM   #62
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The state of the game 17!!!! years ago..........

I'll post one division at a time.

Heavyweight

1) Riddick Bowe (USA) WBA/IBF Champion
2) Lennox Lewis (Britain) WBC Champion
3) Micheal Moorer (USA)
4) Evander Holyfield (USA)
5) Frank Bruno (Britain)
6) Tommy Morrison (USA) WBO Champion
7) Tony Tucker (USA)
Razor Ruddock (Canada)
9) Oliver McCall (USA)
10) Larry Holmes (USA)
Its a very strong top 10,we had it good in the 90s
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Old 06-17-2010, 03:03 AM   #63
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Its a very strong top 10,we had it good in the 90s
Definitely, although at the time plenty of people were saying it was weak in comparison to the 70's and because Tyson was in jail etc etc

The fact that Bowe vs Lewis never happened is criminal.

Bowe putting the belt in the trash can was the beginning of the end for boxing as a mainstream sport imo
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:21 AM   #64
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So, ten years ago trumps todays.

So why do I get stick for saying the 20's-60's fighters would trump most of todays then???!?!?
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:23 AM   #65
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1993 Middles

1) Gerald McClellon (us) WBC
2) Roy Jones (us) IBF
3) Reggie Johnson (us) WBA
4) Julian Jackson (vir)
5) Lamar Parks (us)
6) Bernard Hopkins (us)
7) Chris Pyatt (UK) WBO
Sumbu Kalambay (italy)
9) Steve Collins (ireland)
10) Thomas Tate (us)

Holy ****ing shit- white wash??? I don't think Martinez cracks the top ten????
When you consider Kalambay is on there at 8and he's one of the greatest pure boxers of all time...........I wouldn't give Martinez or P-Dub much of a chance of cracking the top ten.
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:25 AM   #66
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I'm not sure why McClellan's held in such high esteem. He has a decent record, but the wins over Jackson are fairly blunted by the fact Jackson was near blind in the ring. Considering those are his calling cards and that he lost badly to two very average fighters... I can't say he'd be far superior to Martinez. Martinez has the movement, aggression and under-rated power to smash McClellan up.
Agree 100%....one of the more overrated fighters of the past 100 years IMO
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Old 06-17-2010, 01:53 PM   #67
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Nothing to do with education Jeff mate. They were very good fighters but not great ones.

Oh, and the CW's of '93 own today's division, which is thread bare. I mean Wamba, Norris, Czyz, even Warring as boring as he was together are better than the top guys around CW today.
I think all those would be decisively beaten by Cunningham. Neither division has any depth but, all 20 fighters combined, Cunningham is a clear number one.
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Old 06-17-2010, 01:57 PM   #68
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When you consider Kalambay is on there at 8and he's one of the greatest pure boxers of all time...........I wouldn't give Martinez or P-Dub much of a chance of cracking the top ten.
Tate was nothing special, I'd take both to beat him, probably Pyatt (puts tin hat on!!) and, in 1993, a 37 year old Kalambay who was close to retiring.

The thing with Kalambays age in 1993 shows again why the 2010 boxers arn't really getting a fair crack of the whip. People see the name "Kalambay" and automatically think of the guys achievements, picture him in his prime and assume theres no way the modern fighter could compete when in reality Kalambay was 37 and had probably already fought his last fight when that list was compiled.
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Old 06-17-2010, 06:05 PM   #69
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True. Post-Nunn and all.

Tate was quite good a few years before against Jackson I thought.

But yeah, the '93 versions of those chaps wouldn't push Martin and Williams to the wire.

I also think Cruiser is better than the school of '93.
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Old 06-17-2010, 06:06 PM   #70
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Beautiful avi btw Gaz
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Old 06-17-2010, 06:07 PM   #71
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Oh yeah and I don't rate Collins much at all. Tough as old boots of course.

And as hittable as Williams is, and fan as I am, he leans in too much for me to favour him against Pyatt, who could whack like a horses kick
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Old 06-17-2010, 06:13 PM   #72
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Beautiful avi btw Gaz
Cheers mate!! I watched a couple of Arguello fights over the weekend and thought I'd look for a decent avatar of the bloke.

I agree with you on Collins but I thought I was pushing my luck as it was putting Pyatt down for a loss against Martinez and Williams!!!
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Old 06-17-2010, 06:16 PM   #73
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Pavlik vs Pyatt?
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Cheers mate!! I watched a couple of Arguello fights over the weekend and thought I'd look for a decent avatar of the bloke.

I agree with you on Collins but I thought I was pushing my luck as it was putting Pyatt down for a loss against Martinez and Williams!!!
I went on the hunt for a new Arguello avater today, I found afew perfect ones but they didnt work on ESB, one was with Carlos Ortiz and Jose Torres. Guess I'll stick with thise one just now.
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Old 06-17-2010, 06:22 PM   #75
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Pavlik vs Pyatt?
Pavlik, I just don't rate Pyatt at world class mate. IMHO in the days of 1 or 2 world titles he'd have been a decent European champion who lost his world title shot pretty comprehensively.
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