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Old 06-30-2010, 10:48 PM   #61
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Echols was finished when he fought Mundine,subtance abuse and his Lifestyle made sure of that.!!!!!
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True, but you could see Mundine's confidence grow in that fight after a couple of rounds once he sussed Echols out - he came back to his corner between rounds and looked to be in disbelief at the fact that he was still in it.

Perhaps I should have said Echols gave him a shred of false self-belief back.
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Old 06-30-2010, 10:49 PM   #62
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but he beat Danny after Kessler.Danny had only 2 very questionable losses before Mundine fought him.i know Beyer clearly beat him in the second fight but IMO he was mentally disadvantaged in that fight because of being robbed badly in the first fight.he was reluctant to engage fearing a headclash and another DQ.I think its a combination of wear and tear from league and boxing,age and slowng of his once lightning fast reflexes,handspeed,maybe injuries have played a part too and bad matchmaking.with the exception of Geale he has fought **** since Green except maybe Soliman 2.

so he's beaten some aussie journeymen? wow.
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Old 06-30-2010, 10:50 PM   #63
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don't forget being shot twice and still having a bullet lodged in him FFS.
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Old 06-30-2010, 10:59 PM   #64
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' he was mentally disadvantaged in that fight because of being robbed badly in the first fight.he was reluctant to engage fearing a headclash and another DQ'

C'mon Stiff mate I've heard some excuses for losing but being mentally disadvataged for his **** poor performance doesn't cut it. Beyer just took Green serious for the rematch & boxed his ears off.........showed in the process how mechanical Green is........just a 1-2 man. Kessler than showed how **** poor Green was by blowing Beyer out in 3 rds next fight.
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Old 06-30-2010, 11:04 PM   #65
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so he's beaten some aussie journeymen? wow.
i would rate Green above a journeyman and from memory he had a formidable record on paper at least.all his fights bar Sullivan,Beyer and the mexican dude finishing inside the distance.
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Old 06-30-2010, 11:08 PM   #66
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' he was mentally disadvantaged in that fight because of being robbed badly in the first fight.he was reluctant to engage fearing a headclash and another DQ'

C'mon Stiff mate I've heard some excuses for losing but being mentally disadvataged for his **** poor performance doesn't cut it. Beyer just took Green serious for the rematch & boxed his ears off.........showed in the process how mechanical Green is........just a 1-2 man. Kessler than showed how **** poor Green was by blowing Beyer out in 3 rds next fight.
hey im no Green fanboy.far from it but IMO what happened in the first fight would have played on his mind.
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Old 07-01-2010, 02:28 AM   #67
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i would rate Green above a journeyman and from memory he had a formidable record on paper at least.all his fights bar Sullivan,Beyer and the mexican dude finishing inside the distance.
his record is ok, but shows little more than a journeyman. His best win by far is against lucas.
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Unbelievable, Fair dinkum.
Did you blokes follow Greens rise through the ranks?
He was a very good amateur, which makes the transition to pro ranks harder than if you were an ordinary one.
He stopped all of his 16 opponents before he met 27-1 Beyer.
Because he never knocked Beyer out in the 2nd fight, a lot of his fans jumped ship.

If Green could be critisized for anything, it was allowing himself to be dragged into the Mundine circus. That was the worst decision of his career, tho business wise, it made him better money.

What Danny done up until Beyer is what Rocky Katsidis is doing now.

There's a lot of simple logic to how a fighter progresses & it's more often than not beyond his control.
A big punching middleweight that loses an MD in Germany against a German is a dangerous opponent, & managers don't take them unless it's a local derby or a major foreign hero big money fight.
Green was not wanted.

You don't have to like the bloke but Oz is not even knee deep in his class of fighter.
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