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View Poll Results: Razor Ruddock '90 vs Evander Holyfield '90
Ruddock KO or TKO 1-5 1 2.17%
Ruddock KO or TKO 6-12 1 2.17%
Ruddock Dec 4 8.70%
Holyfield KO or TKO 1-5 0 0%
Holyfield KO or TKO 6-12 22 47.83%
Holyfield Dec 18 39.13%
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Old 05-09-2011, 11:36 AM   #46
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Its stupid to think Foreman would have beaten Tyson when he was beaten or outboxed or outfought by just about everyone he faced in the 90's of any substance.
the only similar style to tyson who foreman faced in his second career was bert cooper and he got smashed by foreman, bruno was the only big ,strong guy and hard puncher who faced young tyson and bruno did hurt him seriously, but he had no chin, he did not had the class or the heart and he could not finish the job, foreman would do it.
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Old 05-09-2011, 11:42 AM   #47
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Styles make fights between fighters of equal levels. Get off ESB and actually go watch Foreman's fights in the 90's and Tyson, and then come back and tell me he would of knocked out an 80's Tyson

He would of gotten his head taken off. Holyfield was a great fighter, a GREAT fighter, but he wasn't a killer puncher. Tyson, Louis, Dempsey, Marciano, Lewis, Bowe etc etc would have made mincemeat out of him.
wow
marciano,dempsey? hahahahaa they would be smashed by foreman 91.
bowe? bowe is not even a top 20 hardest punchers?
no fighter in the history would ko old foreman nobody, only maybe a peak louis would tko old foreman.(always if foreman donīt catch him in some point))
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Old 05-09-2011, 11:42 AM   #48
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the only similar style to tyson who foreman faced in his second career was bert cooper and he got smashed by foreman, bruno was the only big ,strong guy and hard puncher who faced young tyson and bruno did hurt him seriouslt, but he had no chin, he did not had the class or the heart and he could not finish the job, foreman would do it.
Bert Cooper like Tyson, yeah and Sammy Scaff is just like Foreman.
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Old 05-09-2011, 11:47 AM   #49
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Bert Cooper like Tyson, yeah and Sammy Scaff is just like Foreman.
physically he was very similar , still cooper had longer reach. the point is that foreman would handle the 5ī11 and the 217 pounds of tyson like a kid. and the short punchers were the bitches of foreman, tyson would not be special because he had no heart and he was not strong mentally, i would be more worried about the 185 pounds of heart of marciano
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Old 05-09-2011, 11:50 AM   #50
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I think this is a close fight. Holy back in 1990 had yet to convince everyone that he was in fact the real deal and the question marks stayed til the 1st Bowe fight. Of course we all know now hes an ATG but nobody was saying it then. He was still shaping into a heavyweight in 1990 (Douglas stay-down didnt do Holy any favours as far as being able to gauge him) and Ruddock was being fancied to do well in the grand scheme of things. Its tight but i think Razor could well have sneaked a decision here with Holy taking a count at some stage, and at the same time proving he wasnt just a jumped up cruiser trying to compete with the big boys. My two cents
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Old 05-09-2011, 11:52 AM   #51
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Bert Cooper like Tyson, yeah and Sammy Scaff is just like Foreman.
In fairness Cooper could bang
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Old 05-09-2011, 12:33 PM   #52
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In fairness Cooper could bang
In fairness, Cooper spent the night before the fight with Foreman banging hookers and doing coke supplied by Don King (he really did).
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In fairness, Cooper spent the night before the fight with Foreman banging hookers and doing coke supplied by Don King (he really did).
You saying Don King supplied cocaine ?
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You saying Don King supplied cocaine ?
I'm saying hookers with cocaine were at Cooper's hotel, which King booked, looking for him.
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I'm saying hookers with cocaine were at Cooper's hotel, which King booked, looking for him.
Ok.
Why did Don King book Cooper's hotel ? Was he promoting that fight ?
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Old 05-09-2011, 02:22 PM   #56
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What the ****??????????

George Foreman of the 90s would not beat any ATG HW at their peaks.

Foreman was fat, slow and didn't throw many punches in the 90s.


So a fat, slow fighter is gonna beat the '88 Tyson?

LOL

****ing crazy mother****ers the whole lot of you.


If Foreman of the 90s lost to Tommy ****ing Morisson, he's not beating '88 Tyson. Not a chance. No. Just no. Never.



Riddick Bowe would have beaten the 90s Foreman. So would have the ****ing Klitsch-bitches.
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Old 05-09-2011, 03:23 PM   #57
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In fairness Cooper could bang
Yes so could Sammy Scaff. Theres no comparison to Cooper and Tyson other than they were both short power punchers. Tyson was leagues better than him.
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What the ****??????????

George Foreman of the 90s would not beat any ATG HW at their peaks.

Foreman was fat, slow and didn't throw many punches in the 90s.


So a fat, slow fighter is gonna beat the '88 Tyson?

LOL

****ing crazy mother****ers the whole lot of you.


If Foreman of the 90s lost to Tommy ****ing Morisson, he's not beating '88 Tyson. Not a chance. No. Just no. Never.



Riddick Bowe would have beaten the 90s Foreman. So would have the ****ing Klitsch-bitches.
morrison did not fight nothing like tyson, not against foreman, morrison fought like a coward(even being a puncher) because he knew that if he exchange blows with foreman he would get destroyed. sorry but, stupid logic. then i say tyson could not beat a bum like buster douglas or past prime holyfield did beat tyson badly.

and old foreman 91 with more experience,even better chin and more stamina would ko joe frazier,dempsey,jefries,marciano,jonhson,and i think that he would ko tyson too, styles make fights.
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Old 05-09-2011, 03:43 PM   #59
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I would favor Evander by decision, he would take some good licks but I got a feeling Ruddock is getting dropped from some straight right counters a couple times, trying to bomb his ugly Ruddock Smash from the outside.

and early 90s Foreman/Tyson is a fight people only wish they wanted to see. Once Foreman is stumbling around, bloodied with his eyes closed, swinging at air, they would change their tune.
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Old 05-09-2011, 03:49 PM   #60
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Was there any serious talk of Tyson-Foreman happening around the '89-90 period?
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