Poor Performance by Mundine

[planetzion]

Originally Posted by boxfan99

That was not his last two fights. He fought another nobody (Acosta, the guy who drew with Nievas) in between Green and Soliman.

ohh yeah thanks for that you mean the guy he dropped with a body shot.....???

point still stands my friend ....people are wayyyyy too quick to jump on the critical band wagon fact is all boxers take av opponents in between big fights and I dont hold it against anyone...

we should start worring when the really struggle againts an everage guy which mundine hasnt .....were you complaining when winky stuggled against soliman ???

[planetzion]

Originally Posted by jb1

get your tounge out of his ass u have no arguement dude refering to past fights and green and solimon were tough fights but with the boasting he has been doing fans would be expecting him to face his mandatory or at least someone in the top 10

umm who said he was not planning to fight his mandatory in the future????

... or looking for bigger opponants for his upcoming fights???

His last fight was a beat down of Soliman???? **** dude that one fight ago ???? If he spnds the rest of his career fighting tomato cans then you have a very point and ill agree with you but for now I wont critisize the guy. He has done well cred where cred is due.

So sorry to burst yr bubble but the arguments valid....

[boxfan99]

Originally Posted by planetzion

ohh yeah thanks for that you mean the guy he dropped with a body shot.....???

point still stands my friend ....people are wayyyyy too quick to jump on the critical band wagon fact is all boxers take av opponents in between big fights and I dont hold it against anyone...

we should start worring when the really struggle againts an everage guy which mundine hasnt .....were you complaining when winky stuggled against soliman ???

Yes, you are right in some respect, everybody takes easier fights in between big fights I'll give you that, but there is a difference between how easy these fights are, for instance Kessler fought Lucas as an "easy" opponent, Calzaghe fought Bika and Manfredo, and Mundine fought Acosta and Nievas. I hope you can see that both Kesslers and Calzaghes "easy" opponents are of a lot higher quality than Mundines. Don't get me wrong I think Mundine is a top 4 fighter in SMW, but I don't like his choice of easy opposition and his big mouth which he doesn't back up.

Btw Winky didn't struggle with Soliman that is an exaggeration, they had a pretty close fight that Winky won without a doubt, and Mundine has struggled and even lost to a guy who wasn't that much above average, namely Siaca.

[MSTR]

Originally Posted by planetzion

for **** sake some of the shit your read in this place....no one said he was an a+ fighter Mundines last two fights were world class performances namley he ktfo out of soliman a guy that made winky wright look ordinary (you remeber that dont you did you post ABOUT WINKY AFTER THAT????) and put on an absolute clinic over danny green....which if yu had watched it was an exceptional display.

I could name an 'average fight' on the resume of any of the top ten p4p list

Stop hatin its all over your posts.

I feel like I am playing duck duck goose here, except every single person I talk to is a goose. GOOSE. GOOSE. GOOSE. Now that I have that cleared up, it is a world title defence. You can't just decide to have the night off mate. The fight was an embarassment. It should never have been sanctioned. Mundine should have never gone the distance with him. He wants to make a claim as being in the top3 in the division, but any one of the top 5 guys would have KTFO of Neivas in less then 5. Deal with it.

[Marcus]

god it hasnt been a day and im already over the whole ****in thing

[MSTR]

Originally Posted by boxfan99

Yes, you are right in some respect, everybody takes easier fights in between big fights I'll give you that, but there is a difference between how easy these fights are, for instance Kessler fought Lucas as an "easy" opponent, Calzaghe fought Bika and Manfredo, and Mundine fought Acosta and Nievas. I hope you can see that both Kesslers and Calzaghes "easy" opponents are of a lot higher quality than Mundines. Don't get me wrong I think Mundine is a top 4 fighter in SMW, but I don't like his choice of easy opposition and his big mouth which he doesn't back up.

Exactly. I criticized JC for fighting the two mentioned. But even then they are LEAGUES above the guys Mundine has decided to fight. It is a joke.

[MSTR]

Does Jermain Taylor take easy fights? HOw about Miguel Cotto? or Ricky Hatton? or Winky Wright? or Bernard Hopkins? or Mikkel Kessler? ... Even the guys that do have a "tune up" usually make it a live body.I have no problem with that. And they still usually beat them as expected. When they don't, they get criticized. As expected. What do you think happened to Judah when he lost to Baldomir. Do you think everyone sung his praises? Mundine deserves to be criticized for his performance. Enough said.

[planetzion]

Originally Posted by boxfan99

Yes, you are right in some respect, everybody takes easier fights in between big fights I'll give you that, but there is a difference between how easy these fights are, for instance Kessler fought Lucas as an "easy" opponent, Calzaghe fought Bika and Manfredo, and Mundine fought Acosta and Nievas. I hope you can see that both Kesslers and Calzaghes "easy" opponents are of a lot higher quality than Mundines. Don't get me wrong I think Mundine is a top 4 fighter in SMW, but I don't like his choice of easy opposition and his big mouth which he doesn't back up.

on a lunch break so ill have to leave it with ya but i cant agree he doesnt back it up???? As i said to some guy b4 Soliman was one fight ago??? And he beat the shit out of him thats backing it up ....I have spoke to mundines father in daringhurst recently and they are keen to face JC and Kessler (kessler contrary to opions in this board doesnt want to rematch mundine) but that shit takes time we all know that.

Final point - IF MUNDINE IS FIGHTING NO BODYS FOR THE REST OF HIS CAREER THEN GRANTED YOU HAVE A POINT but that has not been the case and it remains to be seen what the future holds until I know that ill give credit where credit is due. Nuff siad ta for the reply.

[MSTR]

Originally Posted by planetzion

on a lunch break so ill have to leave it with ya but i cant agree he doesnt back it up???? As i said to some guy b4 Soliman was one fight ago??? And he beat the shit out of him thats backing it up ....I have spoke to mundines father in daringhurst recently and they are keen to face JC and Kessler (kessler contrary to opions in this board doesnt want to rematch mundine) but that shit takes time we all know that.

Final point - IF MUNDINE IS FIGHTING NO BODYS FOR THE REST OF HIS CAREER THEN GRANTED YOU HAVE A POINT but that has not been the case and it remains to be seen what the future holds until I know that ill give credit where credit is due. Nuff siad ta for the reply.

We are criticizing his performance though. CAN YOU SEE THAT. He fought a bum, and couldn't knock him out. Therefore it was a poor performance.

[teke]

So let me get this straight. Mundine won by 10 rds look ok but there are some people on here that want to believe his torn bicep is some kind of excuse for what exactly...?

[Marcus]

I hope you dont work yourself into a state MSTR.

You know the saying about arguing with fools mate

[planetzion]

Originally Posted by MSTR

Does Jermain Taylor take easy fights? HOw about Miguel Cotto? or Ricky Hatton? or Winky Wright? or Bernard Hopkins? or Mikkel Kessler? ... Even the guys that do have a "tune up" usually make it a live body.I have no problem with that. And they still usually beat them as expected. When they don't, they get criticized. As expected. What do you think happened to Judah when he lost to Baldomir. Do you think everyone sung his praises? Mundine deserves to be criticized for his performance. Enough said.

dude umm judah lost???? thats why he got roasted he turned up half baked and embraessed him self....mudine has dominated evry opponant he has faced recently........even the danny greens and sam solimans as well the last night the guys he fought in between.

ffs you carrying on like it was a close fight??? It was a beat down....Constructve critism is a good thing but thats not where your coming from you sound like your typicle asshole boxing fan.

sorry gotto go at work thanks for the stoush ...peace

[teke]

Originally Posted by MSTR

We are criticizing his performance though. CAN YOU SEE THAT. He fought a bum, and couldn't knock him out. Therefore it was a poor performance.

That logic i have problems with. Bums arent always chinny therefore you wont knock them all out. Go back through history and see what i mean.

[MSTR]

Originally Posted by NOTDYE

you make good points mate but most of the stuff you stated about him technique wise you must have already realised? mundine doesnt work the angles.. (reason why i think winky is a bad match up), doesnt throw in combinations.. isnt much of a body puncher (despite what michaels says) doesnt really have a hook. Mundine's fight is the lighning jab, the well timed over hand right and the occasional uppercut. this is his arsenal.. not hating or hugging but that's how he fights and it wasnt much different when he had good performances against soliman and green.

the thing that worried me the most in this fight was his inability to get out of trouble. when nievas was putting the pressure on in the 5th mundine could not get a counter off or get out off the ropes. admittedly not much landed but he didnt throw a punch for about 45 seconds and if it had have been kessler he would have hit the canvas imo.

all in all i dont think he went backwards in this fight. merely did a satisfactory job against a c+ fighter. i dont think you'll be able to tell where he is going until he steps up and fights a real opponent.

Really good post mate. Glad someone can watch a fight and be half objective about it.

[MSTR]

Originally Posted by teke

That logic i have problems with. Bums arent always chinny therefore you wont knock them all out. Go back through history and see what i mean.

But this guy has been knocked down by far lessor oponents. Did you realise that? Regardless, when someone is this far out of their league they should VERY RARELY go the distance.