Why isnt Valuev taking a rematch with Haye?

bam bam · 08-10-2010, 07:55 AM

He has no fight coming up and hasnt fought since losing to Haye last November in a close fight,seeing as he wont be fighting Vitali why doesnt he force Haye into another fight and try to get his belt back?

Escopeta · 08-10-2010, 08:07 AM

that rematch clause has already expired some time ago according to Schaefer.
Also both are with Sauerland. They want to milk Haye and their first fight was a snoozefest. Also they know SNV would KTFO Haye by double punch if it had ever came to rematch.

SimplyTheBest · 08-14-2010, 02:48 AM

Valuev straight up said in a interview that he wasn't interested in a rematch with Haye, claiming to not know of a rematch clause

"My German promoters have not informed me about such a clause. Besides it’s not interesting to me to fight a boxer who is engaged in a ring in track and field meet in the ring."

He ducks Vitali, ducks Haye, didn't want the Solis eliminator fight.....JUST RETIRE!

ryanm8655 · 08-14-2010, 08:38 AM

I don't think he fancies getting hit clean by Haye again after that 12th round.

badr_hari · 08-14-2010, 09:27 AM

a re-match ? NO, thanks. I would better see Haye vs Chagaev. But hey i am tired of David Haye, OK i understand you are afraid of Klitschko, but find someone else and FIGHT for god's sake. FIGHT, even if it has to be Valuev, Fight...

ludwig · 08-14-2010, 03:18 PM

Haye made Valuev look like a bum....Valuev would have to become a whole lot more athletic to defeat Haye's strategy. This doesn't seem so likely for a man in his late 30s.

I keep hearing conflicting things about the rematch clause. Was it a rematch clause with Valuev specifically, or does Sauerland get to pick an opponent for Haye to fight in the future?

Cachibatches · 08-14-2010, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ludwig

Haye made Valuev look like a bum....Valuev would have to become a whole lot more athletic to defeat Haye's strategy. This doesn't seem so likely for a man in his late 30s.

I keep hearing conflicting things about the rematch clause. Was it a rematch clause with Valuev specifically, or does Sauerland get to pick an opponent for Haye to fight in the future?

No he did not. The fight made both of them look sub par. For Valuev, it was pretty much the same performance as we have always seen. It was Haye who's credibility was hurt.

kenmore · 08-14-2010, 04:18 PM

From a business perspective, a rematch is in neither fighter's best interests. The first bout was boring, the rematch is likely to be no better. Haye -- who is needs to achieve superstar status in the U.S. market -- cannot not afford another stinker decision win. Valuev, who has lost appeal with the U.S. fan base, and who is an aging fighter nearing the end of his career, is looking for a big-money cash-out fight. Valuev won't get this kind of money in a rematch with Haye.

SimplyTheBest · 08-15-2010, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kenmore

From a business perspective, a rematch is in neither fighter's best interests. The first bout was boring, the rematch is likely to be no better. Haye -- who is needs to achieve superstar status in the U.S. market -- cannot not afford another stinker decision win. Valuev, who has lost appeal with the U.S. fan base, and who is an aging fighter nearing the end of his career, is looking for a big-money cash-out fight. Valuev won't get this kind of money in a rematch with Haye.

He had appeal in the US?

He won't get a big money cash out fight with anyone other than Vitali, and DK has screwed him out of that, trying to negotiate as if Valuev still had a belt and was a big draw.

Valuev might as well retire, he's been exposed and he has no real options at a big fight or a climb back to a title.

Right Hook · 08-15-2010, 03:34 PM

I actually thought Valuev had won that fight with Haye, (I was pretty surprised someone could run away the whole fight, not really land anything clean until the last round and get a win from it). I think he should rematch haye, move a bit faster after him. spark him out and try to get 1 big money fight with a Klitchsko

albertobult · 08-16-2010, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Right Hook

I actually thought Valuev had won that fight with Haye, (I was pretty surprised someone could run away the whole fight, not really land anything clean until the last round and get a win from it). I think he should rematch haye, move a bit faster after him. spark him out and try to get 1 big money fight with a Klitchsko

what did valuev do to win the fight he only hit air

Right Hook · 08-19-2010, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by albertobult

what did valuev do to win the fight he only hit air

he hit haye

haye hit fuck all till the last round and ran away the whole fight...i dont think haye did enough to win

Rick G · 08-23-2010, 02:36 AM

Valuev ducks nobody as you can see in his fight record. He simply has health problems. He recently underwent surgery (left shoulder, right hand) and has to wait a half year or so until he can make professional training again.
Source: BILD

Flaco_1 · 08-26-2010, 03:36 PM

Because who wants to see that again?

The first fight was boring and the second fight would have been the same.

Goodhill · 08-27-2010, 01:10 PM

Valuev has some injury and can´t even train for at least six months.

If Sauerland has Haye by the balls due to a contractual obligation there might be a fight against another Sauerland boxer - Povetkin, Pulev, Helenius?

08-10-2010, 07:55 AM	#1
bam bam Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,782 vCash: 500	Why isnt Valuev taking a rematch with Haye? He has no fight coming up and hasnt fought since losing to Haye last November in a close fight,seeing as he wont be fighting Vitali why doesnt he force Haye into another fight and try to get his belt back?
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08-10-2010, 08:07 AM	#2
Escopeta Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,991 vCash: 1000	Re: Why isnt Valuev taking a rematch with Haye? that rematch clause has already expired some time ago according to Schaefer. Also both are with Sauerland. They want to milk Haye and their first fight was a snoozefest. Also they know SNV would KTFO Haye by double punch if it had ever came to rematch.
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08-14-2010, 02:48 AM	#3
SimplyTheBest Heavyweight Destroyer ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Europe Posts: 2,697 vCash: 75	Re: Why isnt Valuev taking a rematch with Haye? Valuev straight up said in a interview that he wasn't interested in a rematch with Haye, claiming to not know of a rematch clause "My German promoters have not informed me about such a clause. Besides it’s not interesting to me to fight a boxer who is engaged in a ring in track and field meet in the ring." He ducks Vitali, ducks Haye, didn't want the Solis eliminator fight.....JUST RETIRE!
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08-14-2010, 08:38 AM	#4
ryanm8655 Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,442 vCash: 3731	Re: Why isnt Valuev taking a rematch with Haye? I don't think he fancies getting hit clean by Haye again after that 12th round.
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08-14-2010, 09:27 AM	#5
badr_hari Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 119 vCash: 748	Re: Why isnt Valuev taking a rematch with Haye? a re-match ? NO, thanks. I would better see Haye vs Chagaev. But hey i am tired of David Haye, OK i understand you are afraid of Klitschko, but find someone else and FIGHT for god's sake. FIGHT, even if it has to be Valuev, Fight...
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08-14-2010, 03:18 PM	#6
ludwig Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,924 vCash: 500	Re: Why isnt Valuev taking a rematch with Haye? Haye made Valuev look like a bum....Valuev would have to become a whole lot more athletic to defeat Haye's strategy. This doesn't seem so likely for a man in his late 30s. I keep hearing conflicting things about the rematch clause. Was it a rematch clause with Valuev specifically, or does Sauerland get to pick an opponent for Haye to fight in the future?
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08-14-2010, 04:18 PM	#8
kenmore Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,801 vCash: 103	Re: Why isnt Valuev taking a rematch with Haye? From a business perspective, a rematch is in neither fighter's best interests. The first bout was boring, the rematch is likely to be no better. Haye -- who is needs to achieve superstar status in the U.S. market -- cannot not afford another stinker decision win. Valuev, who has lost appeal with the U.S. fan base, and who is an aging fighter nearing the end of his career, is looking for a big-money cash-out fight. Valuev won't get this kind of money in a rematch with Haye.
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08-15-2010, 03:34 PM	#10
Right Hook Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,530 vCash: 500	Re: Why isnt Valuev taking a rematch with Haye? I actually thought Valuev had won that fight with Haye, (I was pretty surprised someone could run away the whole fight, not really land anything clean until the last round and get a win from it). I think he should rematch haye, move a bit faster after him. spark him out and try to get 1 big money fight with a Klitchsko
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08-23-2010, 02:36 AM	#13
Rick G Casual Fan ESB Jr Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 204 vCash: 1000	Re: Why isnt Valuev taking a rematch with Haye? Valuev ducks nobody as you can see in his fight record. He simply has health problems. He recently underwent surgery (left shoulder, right hand) and has to wait a half year or so until he can make professional training again. Source: BILD
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08-26-2010, 03:36 PM	#14
Flaco_1 Contender ESB Full Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 322 vCash: 500	Re: Why isnt Valuev taking a rematch with Haye? Because who wants to see that again? The first fight was boring and the second fight would have been the same.
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08-27-2010, 01:10 PM	#15
Goodhill Iron Horse - born to lose ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 1,763 vCash: 75	Re: Why isnt Valuev taking a rematch with Haye? Valuev has some injury and can´t even train for at least six months. If Sauerland has Haye by the balls due to a contractual obligation there might be a fight against another Sauerland boxer - Povetkin, Pulev, Helenius?
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