Prime Tyson vs. James Toney that fought Evander

Nicky P · 08-18-2010, 08:36 AM

I'm very interested in seeing how this would play out. Toney is one of the most relaxed fighters I've ever seen. I don't think the Tyson rep would have an effect on him. He'd probably even talk trash to Tyson in the ring.

So could Toney hang with Tyson for 12 or could Tyson hang with Toney for 12?

Boxed Ears · 08-18-2010, 08:44 AM

I'm a big admirer of Toney's skill but I don't think this is a fair one for him. The Tyson that Holyfield fought though...could be good.

lefthook31 · 08-18-2010, 08:46 AM

No Tyson was as good as him at countering at his best plus he had very good speed, so Toney would be outgunned big time. I think Toney could beat Tyson in the late 90's though.

FROST · 08-18-2010, 08:52 AM

A prime Tyson would win a decision against the Toney that fought Holyfield. I think Tysons speed and combination punching would make the difference. Toney would defend well and score some nice counters, but that's it. Prime Tyson was a clever fighter and could box when he wanted to, he would dictate the pace of the fight and just bring too much to the table.
The Tyson rep would not have an effect on Toney - Toney is afraid of no man. Nor Tyson power - Toney rarely gets hit clean, and even if he does, his chin and toughness are legendary.
As for the Tyson that fought Holyfield - I think Toney would have a good chance of frustrating Tyson and throw him out of his gameplan, so who knows..
Ironically, Toney and Tyson have exactly the same height and reach. Shows how small a HW Tyson really was.

Nicky P · 08-18-2010, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lefthook31

No Tyson was as good as him at countering at his best plus he had very good speed, so Toney would be outgunned big time. I think Toney could beat Tyson in the late 90's though.

Really? Toney can counter off of weaves, slips, shoulder rolls, and arm blocks. Or are you just saying that Tyson was that good at slipping and countering not counting versatility.

lefthook31 · 08-18-2010, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky P

Really? Toney can counter off of weaves, slips, shoulder rolls, and arm blocks. Or are you just saying that Tyson was that good at slipping and countering not counting versatility.

Yes Tyson was very good at slipping punches and countering plus he was faster and punched a lot harder.

Harman · 08-18-2010, 09:15 AM

A Prime Tyson would kill any Version of James Toney.. Toney is a superior Counterboxer but the incredible Speed and Power of Mike Tyson is to much for him.

Toney would win against the Tyson from the Lewis or McBride Fight..

Nicky P · 08-18-2010, 09:21 AM

So do you guys feel that Toney could last 12 rounds with a prime Mike?

lefthook31 · 08-18-2010, 09:24 AM

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So do you guys feel that Toney could last 12 rounds with a prime Mike?

I dont think so.

PowerPuncher · 08-18-2010, 09:27 AM

Toney's defense is not impregnable, Jones hit him at will, plenty of others hit him regularly, especially when he invariably got lazy. Tyson while not as fast as Jones is fast enough to land clean and when Toney gets lazy he gets ko'd here

Nicky P · 08-18-2010, 09:53 AM

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Toney's defense is not impregnable, Jones hit him at will, plenty of others hit him regularly, especially when he invariably got lazy. Tyson while not as fast as Jones is fast enough to land clean and when Toney gets lazy he gets ko'd here

This is true. As sharp as he looked against Evander, he still was hit with a few left hooks. And Tyson was a lot faster than Holyfield, with excellent body head combos. Something good would land pretty early probably, I agree.

tommygun711 · 08-18-2010, 10:04 AM

Prime Holyfield would make Toney his bitch.

Unforgiven · 08-18-2010, 10:13 AM

Who knows if Toney could take Tyson's power ?

I cant say anything bad about Toney's chin, it's obviously some form of granite, but he never fought anyone with Tyson's combination of speed and power and ability to deliver. Tyson KO'd some very durable heavyweights.

I'm not sure that Toney would be able to last the distance with a prime and healthy Holyfield either for that matter.

Bonecrusher · 08-18-2010, 10:31 AM

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Who knows if Toney could take Tyson's power ?

I cant say anything bad about Toney's chin, it's obviously some form of granite, but he never fought anyone with Tyson's combination of speed and power and ability to deliver. Tyson KO'd some very durable heavyweights.

I'm not sure that Toney would be able to last the distance with a prime and healthy Holyfield either for that matter.

My thought exactly, I mean we just don't really know, I have never seen Toney hurt at any weight, but he has never fought a heavyweight like the Prime Tyson.. Part of me wants to say he makes it 12, but then I am like "its Tyson".. Tough call.. Either way if Tyson doesn't score a KO then he wins a Decision..

Unforgiven · 08-18-2010, 10:35 AM

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My thought exactly, I mean we just don't really know, I have never seen Toney hurt at any weight, but he has never fought a heavyweight like the Prime Tyson.. Part of me wants to say he makes it 12, but then I am like "its Tyson".. Tough call.. Either way if Tyson doesn't score a KO then he wins a Decision..

Yep. I cant see Tyson losing.
And I wouldn't be surprised if it's a decision, or if it's a KO.

08-18-2010, 08:36 AM	#1
Nicky P Jamiva Boxing ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 714 vCash: 500	Prime Tyson vs. James Toney that fought Evander I'm very interested in seeing how this would play out. Toney is one of the most relaxed fighters I've ever seen. I don't think the Tyson rep would have an effect on him. He'd probably even talk trash to Tyson in the ring. So could Toney hang with Tyson for 12 or could Tyson hang with Toney for 12?
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08-18-2010, 08:44 AM	#2
Boxed Ears Lowering Post Count East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Brunoilia, Hehsland Posts: 51,279 vCash: 7500	Re: Prime Tyson vs. James Toney that fought Evander I'm a big admirer of Toney's skill but I don't think this is a fair one for him. The Tyson that Holyfield fought though...could be good.
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08-18-2010, 08:46 AM	#3
lefthook31 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: in a boxing gym near you Posts: 10,498 vCash: 1000	Re: Prime Tyson vs. James Toney that fought Evander No Tyson was as good as him at countering at his best plus he had very good speed, so Toney would be outgunned big time. I think Toney could beat Tyson in the late 90's though.
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08-18-2010, 08:52 AM	#4
FROST Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: Burger King, baby! Posts: 2,378 vCash: 1000	Re: Prime Tyson vs. James Toney that fought Evander A prime Tyson would win a decision against the Toney that fought Holyfield. I think Tysons speed and combination punching would make the difference. Toney would defend well and score some nice counters, but that's it. Prime Tyson was a clever fighter and could box when he wanted to, he would dictate the pace of the fight and just bring too much to the table. The Tyson rep would not have an effect on Toney - Toney is afraid of no man. Nor Tyson power - Toney rarely gets hit clean, and even if he does, his chin and toughness are legendary. As for the Tyson that fought Holyfield - I think Toney would have a good chance of frustrating Tyson and throw him out of his gameplan, so who knows.. Ironically, Toney and Tyson have exactly the same height and reach. Shows how small a HW Tyson really was.
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08-18-2010, 09:15 AM	#7
Harman Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 204 vCash: 1000	Re: Prime Tyson vs. James Toney that fought Evander A Prime Tyson would kill any Version of James Toney.. Toney is a superior Counterboxer but the incredible Speed and Power of Mike Tyson is to much for him. Toney would win against the Tyson from the Lewis or McBride Fight..
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08-18-2010, 09:21 AM	#8
Nicky P Jamiva Boxing ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 714 vCash: 500	Re: Prime Tyson vs. James Toney that fought Evander So do you guys feel that Toney could last 12 rounds with a prime Mike?
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08-18-2010, 09:27 AM	#10
PowerPuncher ESB Junkie East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 30,707 vCash: 1000	Re: Prime Tyson vs. James Toney that fought Evander Toney's defense is not impregnable, Jones hit him at will, plenty of others hit him regularly, especially when he invariably got lazy. Tyson while not as fast as Jones is fast enough to land clean and when Toney gets lazy he gets ko'd here
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08-18-2010, 10:04 AM	#12
tommygun711 Marquez UD12 Pacquiao. East Side Guru Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 7,657 vCash: 122	Re: Prime Tyson vs. James Toney that fought Evander Prime Holyfield would make Toney his bitch.
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08-18-2010, 10:13 AM	#13
Unforgiven Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 13,141 vCash: 1000	Re: Prime Tyson vs. James Toney that fought Evander Who knows if Toney could take Tyson's power ? I cant say anything bad about Toney's chin, it's obviously some form of granite, but he never fought anyone with Tyson's combination of speed and power and ability to deliver. Tyson KO'd some very durable heavyweights. I'm not sure that Toney would be able to last the distance with a prime and healthy Holyfield either for that matter.
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