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Old 04-05-2012, 04:21 AM   #1576
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Another retarded statement. If he is so slow then why is he so accurate ?

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Old 04-05-2012, 04:22 AM   #1577
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His skill level is extremely overrated... He gets treated like god in terms of his boxing skill , and hes not even the smartest man in boxing right now.

His style is not that hard to figure out. Defensively he uses the shoulder roll almost exclusively. His counters basically boil down to a straight right hand over the jab or a check hook... sometimes an uppercut. He pulls his head straight back from punches which is why hes easy to hit with the jab.

Offensively, he throws basically 1 of 3 punches, a jab , a lead hook , or a lead right hand. He throws them in singles, rarely ever in combinations. He telegraphs his lead right hand before he throws it. He throws his left hook wide. If you can break down a shoulder roll D you can break Floyd down. All you have to watch out of for is his left hook, his right hand, because thats all hes' got. Watch the De La Hoya fight, Floyd could barely penetrate through a substandard defense because he doesnt know how to put punches together, and he doesnt attack the body either.

What makes Floyd (or made him) so hard to beat was his style, super tight defense, and his crazy athletic ability and speed. Even if you got a guy figured out it's not easy when he's as fast or athletic as Floyd is, when he can get punches off and get out of the way before you have a chance to return fire. But even Castillo proved that without speed, that with some solid fundamentals and a little bit of cleverness, you can make Floyd look totally beatable. It didnt take god to do it either , just Jose Luis Castillo. And even a '1 fight away from retirement' Oscar made him look completely ordinary.

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Old 04-05-2012, 04:30 AM   #1578
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from what we've seen of him, he's shown the most skill of any boxer of the last 20 years IMO.

The reason why he could be overrated is, IMO he's bot faced a true challenge yet. It's easier to look good against opponents your supposed to beat.

If onlythere was a prime ATG in his same weight class tha he could fight and prove to the world he's as good as we all think he is. If only...
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:30 AM   #1579
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His skill level is extremely overrated... He gets treated like god in terms of his boxing skill ,and hes not even the smartest man in boxing right now.

His style is not that hard to figure out. Defensively he uses the shoulder roll almost exclusively. His counters basically boil down to a straight right hand over the jab or a check hook... sometimes an uppercut. He pulls his head straight back from punches which is why hes easy to hit with the jab sometimes. Offensively, he throws basically 1 of 3 punches, a jab , a lead hook , or a lead right hand. He throws them in singles, rarely ever in combinations. He telegraphs his lead right hand before he throws it. He throws his left hook wide. If you can break down a shoulder roll D you can break Floyd down. All you have to watch out of for is his left hook, his right hand, because thats all hes' got. Watch the De La Hoya fight, Floyd could barely penetrate through a substandard defense because he doesnt know how to put punches together.

What makes Floyd (or made him) so hard to beat was his style and his crazy athletic ability and speed. Even if you got a guy figured out it's not easy when he's as fast or athletic as Floyd is, when he can get punches off and get out of the way before you have a chance to return fire. But even Castillo proved that without speed, that with some solid fundamentals and a little bit of cleverness, you can make Floyd look totally beatable.
And yet he has not been beaten. How the **** is he easy to figure out when 41 guys came up short and most got dominated ?
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:32 AM   #1580
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from what we've seen of him, he's shown the most skill of any boxer of the last 20 years IMO.

The reason why he could be overrated is, IMO he's bot faced a true challenge yet. It's easier to look good against opponents your supposed to beat.

If onlythere was a prime ATG in his same weight class tha he could fight and prove to the world he's as good as we all think he is. If only...
True. He hasnt really faced someone with the same physical ability.
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:39 AM   #1581
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His skill level is extremely overrated... He gets treated like god in terms of his boxing skill , and hes not even the smartest man in boxing right now.

His style is not that hard to figure out. Defensively he uses the shoulder roll almost exclusively. His counters basically boil down to a straight right hand over the jab or a check hook... sometimes an uppercut. He pulls his head straight back from punches which is why hes easy to hit with the jab.

Offensively, he throws basically 1 of 3 punches, a jab , a lead hook , or a lead right hand. He throws them in singles, rarely ever in combinations. He telegraphs his lead right hand before he throws it. He throws his left hook wide. If you can break down a shoulder roll D you can break Floyd down. All you have to watch out of for is his left hook, his right hand, because thats all hes' got. Watch the De La Hoya fight, Floyd could barely penetrate through a substandard defense because he doesnt know how to put punches together, and he doesnt attack the body either.

What makes Floyd (or made him) so hard to beat was his style, super tight defense, and his crazy athletic ability and speed. Even if you got a guy figured out it's not easy when he's as fast or athletic as Floyd is, when he can get punches off and get out of the way before you have a chance to return fire. But even Castillo proved that without speed, that with some solid fundamentals and a little bit of cleverness, you can make Floyd look totally beatable. It didnt take god to do it either , just Jose Luis Castillo. And even a '1 fight away from retirement' Oscar made him look completely ordinary.
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:39 AM   #1582
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And yet he has not been beaten. How the **** is he easy to figure out when 41 guys came up short and most got dominated ?
Unbeaten records dont mean anything. He's been made to look beatable by less then great fighters, b-level even. Most people think Castillo beat him the first time around.

I never said he's easy to figure out, I said hes not that hard to figure. You act like this a fukin jigsaw puzzle, and it's not. Floyd is pretty mechanical and has a lot of obvious habits as a fighter. That doesnt mean he easy, but there are harder fighters to figure out then Floyd.
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:44 AM   #1583
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Unbeaten records dont mean anything. He's been made to look beatable by less then great fighters, b-level even. Most people think Castillo beat him the first time around.

I never said he's easy to figure out, I said hes not that hard to figure. You act like this a fukin jigsaw puzzle, and it's not. Floyd is pretty mechanical and has a lot of obvious habits as a fighter. That doesnt mean he easy, but there are harder fighters to figure out then Floyd.
B level ? Who was that ?
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:46 AM   #1584
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Good for you. Me calling Floyds skill level "extremely overrated" in light of the massive amount of delusional comments people around here say about him, isn't anything to get excited about. I think Floyd's a good fighter, super skilled, but he's overrated, especially by people who know little about the sport. His talent and physical ability are more impressive then his actually boxing skill.
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:49 AM   #1585
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B level ? Who was that ?
Judah.

Is Castillo really all that great?

Oscar was 1 fight away from retirement, made him look ordinary / beatable.

Mosley looked shot and made him look beatable for a few rounds.



Aside from a few names he hasnt really fought anybody special, and none of the big names on res were anywhere close to there primes, more like at the end of their careers.
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:50 AM   #1586
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Good for you. Me calling Floyds skill level "extremely overrated" in light of the massive amount of delusional comments people around here say about him, isn't anything to get excited about. I think Floyd's a good fighter, super skilled, but he's overrated, especially by people who know little about the sport. His talent and physical ability are more impressive then his actually boxing skill.
Overrated by some but not by everyone. Shane mosley tagged him with a clever combination. After that he tried it multiple times but Floyd countered him.
Against Judah he kept his guard up at all times because of the uppercut. In one round Floyd was tagging Judah with ease and Judah countered with a perfect uppercut but it was blocked.
Victor Ortiz had him on the ropes but had to back away because he didn't know what to do. Ortiz never backs off when he gets his opponent on the ropes.
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:50 AM   #1587
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your delusional if you dont think the man's skill level isn't extremely high.

that does not make him the greatest or on par legacy wise with some of the other greats!


but SKILL WISE ONLY that man is in a company of very FEW out of a ton of boxers!

i mean as boxing fans you have to acknowledge his skill level at the very least...thats not saying you agree with him or think he is unbeatable or anything like that....but just skill wise the man is up there with allllllll the greats.
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:09 AM   #1588
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Judah.

Is Castillo really all that great?

Oscar was 1 fight away from retirement, made him look ordinary / beatable.

Mosley looked shot and made him look beatable for a few rounds.



Aside from a few names he hasnt really fought anybody special, and none of the big names on res were anywhere close to there primes, more like at the end of their careers.
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:13 AM   #1589
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gander seriously, why are you so ****ing jealous of floyd? his style make look simple but it really isn't.
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:19 AM   #1590
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He is actually very predictable. Right overhand punch is like a telegraphed punch.
Shit son, you should take up pro boxing. I think you have the blueprint to beat Mayweather
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