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Old 11-21-2011, 03:27 PM   #1711
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Pacquiao fought Cotto who in my opinion is a fantastic boxer, I agree hes been put in with a lot of aggressive pressure fighters but theyve all been big names at the higher weights.

Usually I try to Ignore Flomos but this is just ignorant.
Which version of Cotto? The 140 lbs mauler or the post Margarito never looked the same version? Exactly. Pac cherry picks empty vessels, leftovers, and old men. Pac has been hidden from solid competition for years. It backfired this time.

Problem is, the ONLY thing left is the SLICKEST of the slick and Pac is running with his tail between his legs.
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Old 11-21-2011, 03:29 PM   #1712
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The "slick black" boxer is a myth. I don't think Bradley is slicker than Martinez or even Guerrero. You change his nationality and color then Bradley would be another "Mexican" fighter. He comes forward purposely with his head to protect him.
Not a myth. It is a style employed most often by Black fighters, but it can be employed by anyone. There are many examples of slick non-Black fighters.

I agree though, Bradley is not slick. He fights from the Mexican school of fighting.
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Old 11-21-2011, 04:02 PM   #1713
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So what's Floyd's defense for ducking Williams, when he was at 147 and hot off his victory of Margarito? What's his defense for not fighting Martinez, who is still calling him out today?
He fought Hoya and Hatton for 35mil, Meanwhile Williams lost to Quintana and lost a lot of his appeal for a big fight.

Martinez is always a possibility, but Id rather he fight Pac first.Plus it matters how much money Martinez can really bring to the table.

If Martinez can get a fight with the Cotto-Margarito winner then that would give him the popularity to have big buzz for a Mayweather fight.
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Old 11-21-2011, 04:20 PM   #1714
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Not a myth. It is a style employed most often by Black fighters, but it can be employed by anyone. There are many examples of slick non-Black fighters.

I agree though, Bradley is not slick. He fights from the Mexican school of fighting.
And there are many examples of black non "slick" boxer and the myth that you must be "slick" in order to be a better "boxer" Duran is Hagler considered less slick than Judah but we all agree he could "box" better than Judah.
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Old 11-21-2011, 04:23 PM   #1715
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He fought Hoya and Hatton for 35mil, Meanwhile Williams lost to Quintana and lost a lot of his appeal for a big fight.

Martinez is always a possibility, but Id rather he fight Pac first.Plus it matters how much money Martinez can really bring to the table.

If Martinez can get a fight with the Cotto-Margarito winner then that would give him the popularity to have big buzz for a Mayweather fight.[/quote]
So what in the world did Victor Ortiz do to earn a Mayweather fight? Neither him or Berto were even the sell, Williams or Martinez are fighting Floyd.
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Old 11-21-2011, 04:24 PM   #1716
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Pac is just luring chickenweather to fight him. Don't be scared homie
another deluded Pac stan...So if thats the case, what about the first two encounters with JMM, Pac sure as hell didnt look stellar in those two previous match ups...So I guess he lured Floyd in by looking very average in those two fights.

People will say anything to make a moot point!
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Old 11-21-2011, 04:29 PM   #1717
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Well anybody with any boxing sense CAN see why Team Pac dosen't let Pacman fight boxers. Pacman was intentionally kept from boxers like Zahir Raheem, Floyd, Juan Guzman, Tim Bradley, Nate Campbell,Devon Alexander. John David Jackson stress this point about 3 years back that Pacman won't fight slick Black or Hispanic boxers. Pacman cannot box for shyt and that why he lost to Eric Morales( Moralas lost his next fight to Raheem) and arguably 3 times to JMM and would have lost to any of the names mentioned above especially Floyd (that's why this fight is truly not made). Bob Arum wants to "milk" Pacman for as long as he can ( they thought JMM was shot). Fights like Hatton, AM, shot Mosley and DLH and Clottey were not boxers or not what they once were. Those are the facts!!!!
Pac has been carefully matched he's avoided two handed fighters with speed who could box counter and weren't there to be hit. In other words guys who just wouldn't stand there and let him look like seconds coming of Duran. I've said this for years but was laughed at and most people on ESB don't know enough about the sport to see it. Also the guys who you just listed would have given Pac hell because of styles.
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Old 11-21-2011, 04:31 PM   #1718
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Pac IMO wasn't given the greenlight to fight those boxers because it would have been more exciting putting him in with more aggresive fighters. They were trying to make a megastar. Just because they didn't put him in with boxers doesn't mean they were scared that Pac might lose. Pac looking good=$$$ to Arum and that is all that counts.
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Old 11-22-2011, 04:50 AM   #1719
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So what in the world did Victor Ortiz do to earn a Mayweather fight? Neither him or Berto were even the sell, Williams or Martinez are fighting Floyd.
He simply got Mayweather excited after watching him go at it with Berto, while he sat ring side to see it live. Plus he earned the WBC title by defeating the #2 ranked WW. Unlike some other fighters who go for vacant belts and defeat B level fighters for a couple yrs to build there hype.

Don't really know for a fact what Williams or Martinez selling power is but Ortiz being Mexican probably had Mayweather believing he could sell well.

If Martinez can get the winner of Cotto or Margarito then he will instantly be linked to Mayweather which will make that fight a big money fight and draw more interest from the casuals. Same way Pac was able to get his buzz
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Old 11-22-2011, 08:48 AM   #1720
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He simply got Mayweather excited after watching him go at it with Berto, while he sat ring side to see it live. Plus he earned the WBC title by defeating the #2 ranked WW. Unlike some other fighters who go for vacant belts and defeat B level fighters for a couple yrs to build there hype.

Don't really know for a fact what Williams or Martinez selling power is but Ortiz being Mexican probably had Mayweather believing he could sell well.

If Martinez can get the winner of Cotto or Margarito then he will instantly be linked to Mayweather which will make that fight a big money fight and draw more interest from the casuals. Same way Pac was able to get his buzz









He simply got Mayweather excited after watching him go at it with Berto, while he sat ring side to see it live.


So you're telling me Berto vs Ortiz got him excited but Margarito-Williams, Williams-Martinez, Margarito-Cotto, and Mosley-Cotto did not?


Plus he earned the WBC title by defeating the #2 ranked WW
So just because Berto is ranked #2, it's credible being he's less proven at welter than Clottey, Magarito, Mosley, Pacquiao, or Cotto? And Martinez haven't earned his stripes from defeating Pavlik and Williams but Ortiz has, right. And yes it's ducking if he can fight Oscar at 154 but Sergio is too big at the same weight. There pretty much the same size. Martinez is just more muscular.

Unlike some other fighters who go for vacant belts and defeat B level fighters for a couple yrs to build there hype.

So Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, and Mosley are B level but Ortiz and Berto are not? Berto is just a paper champion. Ortiz was a guy who never made it at 140 so he moved up KNOWING he can't beat anyone at 140 and got lucky because there was a paper champion ranked as a #2 welterweight.
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Old 11-23-2011, 09:30 PM   #1721
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Old 11-23-2011, 09:50 PM   #1722
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Default Re: Is Floyd or manny more versatile?

There is a reason why Floyd retired and left the sport and asked for a test. They don't believe u can be that good naturally.

Manny has something that Floyd is scared of facing.
Concentration mentally and physically that is a horror for PBF.
Floyd has the moments like vs Shane where for a second here and there he is sleeping.
Manny is on that speed and change angle level that he has not faced and will catch him in that lull, it is a small window but Manny
is stylisticly perfect to do this.
The shell defense with no vision is tailor made for a southpaw that can change direction and hook w/ the right hand over the orthodox left bicep.

Skip Bayless don't shit like this son.
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Old 11-23-2011, 10:01 PM   #1723
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There is a reason why Floyd retired and left the sport and asked for a test. They don't believe u can be that good naturally.

Manny has something that Floyd is scared of facing.
Concentration mentally and physically that is a horror for PBF.
Floyd has the moments like vs Shane where for a second here and there he is sleeping.
Manny is on that speed and change angle level that he has not faced and will catch him in that lull, it is a small window but Manny
is stylisticly perfect to do this.
The shell defense with no vision is tailor made for a southpaw that can change direction and hook w/ the right hand over the orthodox left bicep.

Skip Bayless don't shit like this son.
good point i agree Floyd is more versatile.
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Old 11-24-2011, 02:02 PM   #1724
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Manny's more versitile offensively....Floyd is more versitile Defensively. Both are extremely good at what they do.
Never cease to amaze with your opinion...You try to make Pac out to something he's clearly not!
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Old 11-30-2011, 01:21 PM   #1725
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Default Pacquiao will WIN; Mark my words.

now that we have the fight almost done, both fighters arguably calling each other out by name. here's my prediction, you can have yours post it here.

Pacquiao will win via TKO/KO in the middle to late rounds, or a wide UD if Floyd decides to survive.

Floyd's first official defeat will come from Pacquiao.


added a poll. feel free to vote, DKSAB = don't know shit about boxing.
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