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Old 04-26-2012, 06:41 PM   #1726
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TS should understand that boxing will always have stars match with someone too young or too old, or too big or too small. Excuses is easy to find but i don't see how Floyd can be criticize for fighting someone any size for he have fought people bigger moving up in weight not to mention he have fought old as well as young, prime and out of prime. One thing is for sure... he fought guys WHEN THEY WERE RELAVANT TO THE SPORT. He hasn't fight a journyman since WHEN?
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Old 04-26-2012, 06:43 PM   #1727
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Only the worst of FMJ haters would say the man is overrated. I mean, come the **** on. If you can say FMJ is overrated, and SRR and SRL aren't w/o blinking an eye, then its not even worth having a boxing conversation with you.
I hate him since the Ortiz sucker punch but was a fan before. He is overhyped. A washed up DLH almost beat him. Yea, he dominated a totally washed up Mosley, sucker punched his way to a win over Ortiz and ko'd hatton and beat up the smaller marquez. But none of those fights are very legit all things considered when talkin about ATG. He hasn't really had any career defining fights, at least not in YEARS.
Put him in the late 90s and mosley and oscar would tear his head off.
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Old 04-26-2012, 06:48 PM   #1728
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I hate him since the Ortiz sucker punch but was a fan before. He is overhyped. A washed up DLH almost beat him. Yea, he dominated a totally washed up Mosley, sucker punched his way to a win over Ortiz and ko'd hatton and beat up the smaller marquez. But none of those fights are very legit all things considered when talkin about ATG. He hasn't really had any career defining fights, at least not in YEARS.
Put him in the late 90s and mosley and oscar would tear his head off.
Floyd beat DLH 8-4 even 9-3 is acceptable. How is that equals Oscar almost beat him? Not to mention he went up to Oscar's weight who showed up 160+, small ring and big gloves? He was basically a WW fighting a Middle weight. And shane mosley and Oscar would never beat Floyd at any point.

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Old 04-26-2012, 06:53 PM   #1729
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To ts - according to you, neither Floyd or PAC is the grreatest fighter of this era, so then who is?
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Old 04-26-2012, 06:55 PM   #1730
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Let me guess, Cotto is washed up to?

****ing jokers
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:26 PM   #1731
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Only idiots care about HYPE, and it could well be claimed even bigger idiots would consider FMJ as being over rated. As someone said that style of his would give nightmares to any fighter between 135 and 154 from any era. Win, lose, or draw.
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:30 PM   #1732
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Only idiots care about HYPE, and it could well be claimed even bigger idiots would consider FMJ as being over rated. As someone said that style of his would give nightmares to any fighter between 135 and 154 from any era. Win, lose, or draw.

its hard to overrate an all-time great....at his best weights 130-140 only a handful IMO(Duran, Whitaker, Pryor, Armstrong, Chavez) have a shot but the rest he beats....too big and strong and skilled for Canzoneri, Ross, and Arguello Ike Williams gives him a run for his money but dude is a G all-time
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:32 PM   #1733
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And if that's the case, why bother getting it from the doctor at all -- that's not true TRT whatsoever. That's called juicing.
Sure is.
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:37 PM   #1734
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I think if he shut his mouth out of the ring he'd be a truly class act. the hype is always gonna be there though when he constantly plays up to the cameras and gives the world's press and media some soundbites...

In the ring He is a superb fighter, has very fast hands, lots of accuracy and power behind his punches, very rarely does he get hit or knocked down.

The only fighter in the same league as him is the pac-man and you could then argue if that fight was made the winner should rightfully be called the best P4P fighter in the world and history of boxing at their weight class.
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:45 PM   #1735
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That's the face of a liar folks. He's most definitely on it and was taken right off guard not expecting that


BUT, there is nothing wrong with having average testosterone levels so it's not illegal whatsoever.
This where I'm confused. Wouldn't people that practice violence and combat in their professions have well above average levels of T?
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:59 PM   #1736
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This where I'm confused. Wouldn't people that practice violence and combat in their professions have well above average levels of T?
it's not a conditioning thing. it's a genetics thing. just happens as you get older
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:13 PM   #1737
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the drug testing is weak. they know when they are going to be tested.

if he has a theraputic use exemption form for trt it doesn't matter if synthetic test shows up in his system.

all floyd has to do to get approval is get a doctor to agree to give him it.$$$$$

the point is that athletes that get this treatment generally don't really need it. it is just an excuse to use a PED. the limits on test are related to the testosterone/epitestosterone ratio in the body. if you are jacking up your T levels all you have to do is increase the ept to the same level to beat the test.

a huge majority of boxers will be using PEDs. the testing system guarantees it.
Can't they still test your levels? That's what an Endocrinologist does when they are testing you for TRT.


You can get an exception but I do think people will find out. They tend to always find out...specifically when you put yourself in the spot-light. But is he doing it anyway and will he use the TRT argument and reasoning after his name is out there...yeah...if he is doing it. That's what the MMA guys and other athletes did but they also weren't throwing their names out their nor were they asking for increased testing. I'm not sure what USADA's take on all this would be.
Nevada may not care but USADA...I haven't done my research on this.

I don't know all the details of how everything is run and done. I'm not a part of that culture working on the testing and cheating the system. But they can still test for your levels.

What a lot of athletes were doing is maximizing their levels to the peak it can be for what is allowed legally. However, some were just going over that and then trying to still use the TRT argument but it was no longer TRT when it was over the allotted allowance of a "normal male."
Cyclist were big on this. Like a lot of guys suddenly were close to 49 mark for TBC and 1000ng/dL for total testosterone. Something like that. Enough to where it gets you near peak but won't set-off alarms. They are much better at this. I discussed it with a Endocrinologist I know that is in the research department. The Endo's brain is bigger than mine on the subject matter so I can't give you detailed analysis.
As far as manipulating the ratios...yeah...I read that too. But I don't remember the details and didn't ask about it.

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Old 04-26-2012, 08:26 PM   #1738
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:29 PM   #1739
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it's not a conditioning thing. it's a genetics thing. just happens as you get older

Somewhat. Although genes has a big part on how high your levels are, food and environment also can contribute. There are lots of things that can spike your levels.

Being in the military, being in War...is said to spike your T-levels. That's why you can have higher levels when you are constantly training as opposed to if you were sitting on your ass all your life.

At the same time, you also have to consider those that go into such professions. It may be that the guys that go into these professions and especially those that make it to a high level, have high hormone levels. Not just an advantage from a physical perspective but Mental as well.

Prisoners. I read an article study that measured prisoners T-levels in different facilities and they found that prisoners that committed certain crimes, "violent" crimes...had very high T-levels compared to the average person. And this was used for the argument with how much does T-levels contribute to aggression and behavior. The higher your T-levels are, you can be prone to drugs, partying, ***ual behavior, violence, etc. At the same time there are advantages as well. But although high can be healthy, to high may not be a good thing.
Some Big, Strong, Built, Crazy MFers in prison.


O', Being around girls can spike your levels. That's why its good to get some.

Studies continually get done so who knows.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:32 PM   #1740
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So Pactards now think Floyd is cheating bc he doesn't know what it is? LMAO. Oh but Manny is clean bc he doesn't know what a basic steroid is? This shit is pure comedy. "You have to believe I am all natural" Manny P.
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