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Old 06-19-2012, 09:18 AM   #2191
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Yeah, he's pulling closer - mainly due to the Pacquiao's poor Mosley and JMM fights. The Bradley win, however, has for the time being stopped Floyd's momentum in closing up on him.
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:21 AM   #2192
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Funny what weight draining a fighter does isn't it?

Cotto at 154 was an entirely different prospect than Cotto at 145. The other thing to keep in mind is that the "demons" in Cotto's head had been vanquished when he went in there and beat Margarito in the rematch.

Pacquaio beat Cotto after he had been beaten definitively by Margarito and then had a tough fight with Clottey.

Cotto then moves to 154, beats the promising Yuri Foreman, knocks Mayorga out, stops Margarito and then fights one of his best fights against Floyd Mayweather.

Cotto at 154 is a completely different prospect than Cotto at 145.
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:25 AM   #2193
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Pac has the more quality names, and he gets credit for the Barrera win cuz MAB was the boss at the time, but MAB and Erik already past their primes. Manny lost to past their primes Erik and Marquez now to featherfisted Bradley, but there is no shame in that. Marquez and Bradley thanks to Pacman have proved they are better than previously thought. What hurts Manny is that post 140 most fights weren't on an even playing field. That's where Floyd catches up with him. They even in IMO.
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:25 AM   #2194
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Yeah, the fight I saw had Pac beating him pretty easily. Which is why I said "the Bradley win".
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:25 AM   #2195
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IMO it is very, very close . . . PBF record gets unfairly shit on, he has a lot of great, great wins Hernanez, Chico, JLC, Better versions of Oscar, SSM, Cotto and he took Ricky 0. Pac record is great but people tend to think of him as this small guy moving up through the divisions but as the tards point out both guys weighed the same at 16. both fighters are great and the will be forever tied together whether they fight or not
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:26 AM   #2196
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The moment Pacquaio fights Floyd is the moment people stop running out of excuses to deny a simple fact, Floyd is an ATG and probably GOAT at 130, 135 and in the Top 5 at 140 and 147.

H2H? He's a daunting prospect for anyone prime for prime due to his Ring IQ, Chin, Handspeed, Footspeed, Defensive Ability, Accuracy, Angles and Adaptation.

The idea that Hearns just walks through him makes me laugh.
X2 Well said.
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:29 AM   #2197
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In their prime days Manny was fighting Barrera , Morales and JMM.

Floyd in his prime was fighting Brussels , Gatti and fooking Shamba Mitchell.

This should not be forgotten . A legacy is not one year or one fight.
Fair point, however, lets look at Floyds list before these 3, hmm.....

G. Hernandez (Champion)
Corrales (RIP) (Undefeated at time)
Manfreddy (Former Champion)
JLC X2 (Champion)
P. Ndou (31-1 with 30 ko's, if memory serves me correctly)

Now lets look at his list after these 3, hmm ....

Judah (Former Champion)
ODLH (JMW Champ)
Haton (Undefeated)
Marquez (#2 P4P)
Mosley (#1 WW, WBC Champion)
Ortiz (#2 WW, Champion)
Cotto (#1 JMW Champion, Coming off 3 straight stoppsges at the 514)

Nice try though
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:46 AM   #2198
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Funny what weight draining a fighter does isn't it?

Cotto at 154 was an entirely different prospect than Cotto at 145. The other thing to keep in mind is that the "demons" in Cotto's head had been vanquished when he went in there and beat Margarito in the rematch.

Pacquaio beat Cotto after he had been beaten definitively by Margarito and then had a tough fight with Clottey.

Cotto then moves to 154, beats the promising Yuri Foreman, knocks Mayorga out, stops Margarito and then fights one of his best fights against Floyd Mayweather.

Cotto at 154 is a completely different prospect than Cotto at 145.


Cotto weighs one pound less than the previous bout, shows no signs in the fight of being drained, doesn't even complain about it himself......yet the fans on messageboards know more and suddenly declare him weak - despite them having no issues with the catchweight before and immediately after the fight.

Laughable.


If we take the same route -- you know, pick up on every imperfection surrounding a fight to discredit the win -- then Floyd's resume would never be free, either:
  • Beats a weight-drained Corrales - that's right, Diego was struggling with his weight at the time. Oh, and he was mentally distracted with having to go to prison, apparently.
  • Forces JMM up to 144 in a catchweight he doesn't even stick to. JMM looked was bloated - as opposed to what he was against Pac.
  • Faces a 15-month inactive and overtrained Mosley.
  • Makes a midget Ricky Hatton come up to 147 to face him.
  • Takes on a Miguel Cotto 3-4 years too late after he'd taken career-damaging beatings from Marg and Pac.
  • Beats on a Zab Judah coming off a loss to Baldomir
See how ridiculous all of the above sound?

No fighter's record is free from crappy little nit-picks like the above.

It's also worth mentioning, Pacquiao has a lower-weight legacy he's proud of, too. His run in the bantam-featherweight days speaks volumes.
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:53 AM   #2199
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Revisionist history, You're a ****ing mook, I swear it.

Cotto didn't exactly perform with distinction against Clottey and wasn't at his best in that fight. The fact that he weighed in "one pound over" the eventual catch weight decided by Pacquaio is almost irrelvant, no one can deny that the Cotto we've since seen at 154 is revitalised and producing his best performance since Pre-Margarito.

"Forces JMM up to 144 in a catchweight" - oh, but when JMM fights and beats Pacquaio at 147, he's not bloated funny that.

"Makes a midget like Ricky Hatton fight at 147" - adversed to making a late 30s fighter come down from 154 to fight him at 147?

Every thing you say reflects even worse on Pacquaio - because he's done the exact same shit but hasn't done it as well as Mayweather. The reason you don't understand this is because you have absolutely no objectivity.

You'd probably even argue that Pacquaio isn't the reason the fight Mayweather proposed for May 5th vs Pacquaio didn't take place and it was Mayweathers fault.

You're so ****ing stupid, I wish I could punch you in the face.
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:58 AM   #2200
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They are both great floyd more cautious in picking fights but is absouletly great boxer pac generaly a more attack orrientated fan friendly fighter there both two of the best fighters of this past generation an most these lame nuthuggers make these stupid threads to pull each others chains BE FIGHT FANS not a fan boys
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:00 AM   #2201
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:08 AM   #2202
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one is fighting once a year with long vacations in between and the other one is fighting twice a year.

since 2008 pac has fought:
delahoya
hatton
cotto
clottey
margarito
mosley
marquez3
bradley

since 2008 floyd has fought:
marquez
mosley
ortiz
cotto

and before all of these, pac has fought the 3 mexican ATGs at or near their prime weights.
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:12 AM   #2203
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Revisionist history, You're a ****ing mook, I swear it.

Cotto didn't exactly perform with distinction against Clottey and wasn't at his best in that fight. The fact that he weighed in "one pound over" the eventual catch weight decided by Pacquaio is almost irrelvant, no one can deny that the Cotto we've since seen at 154 is revitalised and producing his best performance since Pre-Margarito.

"Forces JMM up to 144 in a catchweight" - oh, but when JMM fights and beats Pacquaio at 147, he's not bloated funny that.

"Makes a midget like Ricky Hatton fight at 147" - adversed to making a late 30s fighter come down from 154 to fight him at 147?

Every thing you say reflects even worse on Pacquaio - because he's done the exact same shit but hasn't done it as well as Mayweather. The reason you don't understand this is because you have absolutely no objectivity.

You'd probably even argue that Pacquaio isn't the reason the fight Mayweather proposed for May 5th vs Pacquaio didn't take place and it was Mayweathers fault.

You're so ****ing stupid, I wish I could punch you in the face.
pacquiao simply offered 50/50 and floyd offered a money that doesn't give pac any PPV share. we all know floyd outpriced himself out of the fight. he also felt that pac is a risk for his health (floyd's own words). we all know what happened to bradley (both legs casted), cotto and margarito when pac fought them. floyd doesn't want this type of risk.
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:12 AM   #2204
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Revisionist history, You're a ****ing mook, I swear it.

Cotto didn't exactly perform with distinction against Clottey and wasn't at his best in that fight. The fact that he weighed in "one pound over" the eventual catch weight decided by Pacquaio is almost irrelvant, no one can deny that the Cotto we've since seen at 154 is revitalised and producing his best performance since Pre-Margarito.

"Forces JMM up to 144 in a catchweight" - oh, but when JMM fights and beats Pacquaio at 147, he's not bloated funny that.

"Makes a midget like Ricky Hatton fight at 147" - adversed to making a late 30s fighter come down from 154 to fight him at 147?

Every thing you say reflects even worse on Pacquaio - because he's done the exact same shit but hasn't done it as well as Mayweather. The reason you don't understand this is because you have absolutely no objectivity.

You'd probably even argue that Pacquaio isn't the reason the fight Mayweather proposed for May 5th vs Pacquaio didn't take place and it was Mayweathers fault.

You're so ****ing stupid, I wish I could punch you in the face.


Why you gettin' mad for, bro? It's just a discussion.

You have no right to speak about objectivity, by the way. A man who complains about Cotto being weight-drained, has no problems with celebrating a Calzaghe win over Eubank.

And seriously, you felt the need to to respond to those points -- which I've clearly said and admit are ridiculous!
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:14 AM   #2205
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You spelt it out yourself, Pacquaio has fought almost twice as many times since 2008 when compared to Floyd yet Floyd has earnt more money in that period.

Pacquaio doesn't deserve 50/50 but for the purposes of the fight in Las Vegas in May, the response from Arum was "But the fight will be bigger in Texas in June" - only, Pacquaio ends up fighting in Vegas also in June.

Face facts, Arum is the reason we haven't seen Pacquaio get absolutely ****ing trashed by Floyd in the ring. One day, Pacquaio will learn to thank him,.
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