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Old 04-26-2012, 07:45 PM   #2281
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That's the face of a liar folks. He's most definitely on it and was taken right off guard not expecting that


BUT, there is nothing wrong with having average testosterone levels so it's not illegal whatsoever.
This where I'm confused. Wouldn't people that practice violence and combat in their professions have well above average levels of T?
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:59 PM   #2282
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This where I'm confused. Wouldn't people that practice violence and combat in their professions have well above average levels of T?
it's not a conditioning thing. it's a genetics thing. just happens as you get older
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:13 PM   #2283
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the drug testing is weak. they know when they are going to be tested.

if he has a theraputic use exemption form for trt it doesn't matter if synthetic test shows up in his system.

all floyd has to do to get approval is get a doctor to agree to give him it.$$$$$

the point is that athletes that get this treatment generally don't really need it. it is just an excuse to use a PED. the limits on test are related to the testosterone/epitestosterone ratio in the body. if you are jacking up your T levels all you have to do is increase the ept to the same level to beat the test.

a huge majority of boxers will be using PEDs. the testing system guarantees it.
Can't they still test your levels? That's what an Endocrinologist does when they are testing you for TRT.


You can get an exception but I do think people will find out. They tend to always find out...specifically when you put yourself in the spot-light. But is he doing it anyway and will he use the TRT argument and reasoning after his name is out there...yeah...if he is doing it. That's what the MMA guys and other athletes did but they also weren't throwing their names out their nor were they asking for increased testing. I'm not sure what USADA's take on all this would be.
Nevada may not care but USADA...I haven't done my research on this.

I don't know all the details of how everything is run and done. I'm not a part of that culture working on the testing and cheating the system. But they can still test for your levels.

What a lot of athletes were doing is maximizing their levels to the peak it can be for what is allowed legally. However, some were just going over that and then trying to still use the TRT argument but it was no longer TRT when it was over the allotted allowance of a "normal male."
Cyclist were big on this. Like a lot of guys suddenly were close to 49 mark for TBC and 1000ng/dL for total testosterone. Something like that. Enough to where it gets you near peak but won't set-off alarms. They are much better at this. I discussed it with a Endocrinologist I know that is in the research department. The Endo's brain is bigger than mine on the subject matter so I can't give you detailed analysis.
As far as manipulating the ratios...yeah...I read that too. But I don't remember the details and didn't ask about it.

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Old 04-26-2012, 08:26 PM   #2284
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:29 PM   #2285
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it's not a conditioning thing. it's a genetics thing. just happens as you get older

Somewhat. Although genes has a big part on how high your levels are, food and environment also can contribute. There are lots of things that can spike your levels.

Being in the military, being in War...is said to spike your T-levels. That's why you can have higher levels when you are constantly training as opposed to if you were sitting on your ass all your life.

At the same time, you also have to consider those that go into such professions. It may be that the guys that go into these professions and especially those that make it to a high level, have high hormone levels. Not just an advantage from a physical perspective but Mental as well.

Prisoners. I read an article study that measured prisoners T-levels in different facilities and they found that prisoners that committed certain crimes, "violent" crimes...had very high T-levels compared to the average person. And this was used for the argument with how much does T-levels contribute to aggression and behavior. The higher your T-levels are, you can be prone to drugs, partying, ***ual behavior, violence, etc. At the same time there are advantages as well. But although high can be healthy, to high may not be a good thing.
Some Big, Strong, Built, Crazy MFers in prison.


O', Being around girls can spike your levels. That's why its good to get some.

Studies continually get done so who knows.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:32 PM   #2286
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So Pactards now think Floyd is cheating bc he doesn't know what it is? LMAO. Oh but Manny is clean bc he doesn't know what a basic steroid is? This shit is pure comedy. "You have to believe I am all natural" Manny P.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:37 PM   #2287
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So Pactards now think Floyd is cheating bc he doesn't know what it is? LMAO. Oh but Manny is clean bc he doesn't know what a basic steroid is? This shit is pure comedy. "You have to believe I am all natural" Manny P.
So what you're saying is that when someone who has never tested positive for any kind of PED shouldn't be accused or made to answer to those allegations?

I agree.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:51 PM   #2288
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So what you're saying is that when someone who has never tested positive for any kind of PED shouldn't be accused or made to answer to those allegations?

I agree.
I bet you Floyd will do any type of testing to prove he is clean. What about Manny?
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:38 PM   #2289
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So what you're saying is that when someone who has never tested positive for any kind of PED shouldn't be accused or made to answer to those allegations?

I agree.
I'm against what the Mayweather Clan has done to Pac as far as accusing him of PED use. It not only puts a mark on him but also his personal trainer and everyone around him responsible for getting him in condition. As well as other fighters in his camp.

You tend to get this stuff from fans who believe All athletes are on something illegal...which really, this way of thinking, on some level, has me thinking that Floyd was sitting back thinking of his own decline and another man's rise which has left him soar.... but anyway...from someone within the Professional ranks to accuse...that's uncalled for. And, Floyd's fair game to go after. They should press the issue of Year Round Testing if he wants to put an end or "deter" athletes from using PEDs. But let's make sure we do the same with All the athletes that aren't doing it.



If Floyd thought something suspicious, he should have went after the testing standards instead of who he felt was cheating. And get the commission on board...although I don't think he would need them because they shouldn't be the authority on the matter. Athletes who risk their health and make a career out of this are the authority.

But again, if this video shows anything, maybe Floyd really isn't the brightest of guys in everything outside the ring.

I wonder if the guy even knows what the tests do other than "Catch Motha-F**** Cheaters."
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:56 PM   #2290
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Facial expression and tone of voice certainly showed there was something that made his heart rate go up. Then the meek reply of "i don't know what you're talking about" with a stupid looking smile was definitely not a normal Mayweather reaction.

It's similar to someone who got caught doing something bad, it's just the same type of reply and expression.
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:18 PM   #2291
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I bet you Floyd will do any type of testing to prove he is clean. What about Manny?
he is afraid of needles
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:24 PM   #2292
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So what you're saying is that when someone who has never tested positive for any kind of PED shouldn't be accused or made to answer to those allegations?

I agree.
You agree with what?
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Old 04-27-2012, 12:29 AM   #2293
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People who undergo such therapy benefit on the following: muscle bulk, red blood cells, bone growth, a sense of well being and erectile function.
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Old 04-27-2012, 12:56 AM   #2294
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I'm against what the Mayweather Clan has done to Pac as far as accusing him of PED use.


The firestorm only came after Pacquiao refused extra testing.

And please, keep your response, should you choose to write one, under 5 paragraphs. Thank you.
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Old 04-27-2012, 01:52 AM   #2295
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I encourage Joy jr. to roid up if he fights Dapidran.
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