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Old 05-09-2012, 04:30 AM   #2416
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9-3 = life and death
you know, like 12-0 pac v mosley = "struggled"? LOL
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:09 AM   #2417
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Pacquiao still rates higher, especially if he dominates Bradley.

When you compare their five common opponents, the only one Mayweather did better against was Marquez. When your compare titles in various divisions, prime opponents, memorable fights, etc - Pac rates higher as an ATG at this point.
So you don't count losses for anything?
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:36 AM   #2418
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So you don't count losses for anything?
Sure do. That Sugar Ray Robinson list fights - so did Willie Pep and Joe Louis. Man those guys sucked!

I could give a shit that Pacquiao lost fights. Its the challenges he took, the wins he collected, the accomplishments he's made - that's what I care about.
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:48 AM   #2419
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since 2009 .....

Pacquiao

KO2 Hatton
TKO12 Cotto
UD12 Clottey
UD12 Margarito
UD12 Mosley
MD12 Marquez


Mayweather

UD12 Marquez
UD12 Mosley
TKO4 Ortiz
UD12 Cotto


how is floyd getting close with fighting once a year?
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:50 AM   #2420
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since 2009 .....

Pacquiao

KO2 Hatton
TKO12 Cotto
UD12 Clottey
UD12 Margarito
UD12 Mosley
MD12 Marquez


Mayweather

UD12 Marquez
UD12 Mosley
TKO4 Ortiz
UD12 Cotto


how is floyd getting close with fighting once a year?
Because Pac is fighting unranked fighters at catchweights.
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:51 AM   #2421
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Sure do. That Sugar Ray Robinson list fights - so did Willie Pep and Joe Louis. Man those guys sucked!

I could give a shit that Pacquiao lost fights. Its the challenges he took, the wins he collected, the accomplishments he's made - that's what I care about.
It doesn't matter whether or not you care about losses, they should factor in when looking at resumes as close as Mayweather and Pac's.

Did you just compare Pac's list of fights to Robinson's? oh boy
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:54 AM   #2422
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10 years after they both retire and the hype wears off, floyd will go up and pac down...people will see how pac feasted off of big names while they were at their most vulnerable, either at the ends of their careers, at troubled times in their careers (string of losses, team problems), and at weights not suited for them.
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:58 AM   #2423
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So you don't count losses for anything?
A great fighter is never defined by his losses. They are defined by their victories.
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:58 AM   #2424
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Because Pac is fighting unranked fighters at catchweights.
unranked fighters?

hatton #1 LWW and lineal champ, p4p fighter
cotto #2 WW, p4p fighter
clottey #5 WW
mosley #4 WW
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:59 AM   #2425
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To answer the question, no, Pacquiao ranks ahead of Mayweather by a long way. Cotto was a good opponent but there is nobody under 168lbs who Mayweather could beat to overtake Pacquiao.

Pacquiao will always be considered the greater fighter.
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:04 AM   #2426
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unranked fighters?

hatton #1 LWW and lineal champ, p4p fighter
cotto #2 WW, p4p fighter
clottey #5 WW
mosley #4 WW
Cotto was #4 at welter and was not on the p4p list, he got dropped after losing to Margarito.

I was talking about Marquez, Margarito, Bradley, and then Marquez again.
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:13 AM   #2427
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mayweather never had a barrera or morales to fall back on. Those 2 guys are legends. Only guy on Mayweather resume is De la hoya. I'd say its pretty close. To seal their legacy, they must face each other and the winner will have the greater resume.
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:16 AM   #2428
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Cotto was #4 at welter and was not on the p4p list, he got dropped after losing to Margarito.

I was talking about Marquez, Margarito, Bradley, and then Marquez again.
cotto was #2 at WW when pac fought him. some have him #1 since he has a victory over mosley. who are the other two welters that are ahead of cotto then at #2 and #3 at the time? some could justify floyd, but a win over marquez that time is not sufficient to put him back at the very top. who is the other one? don't say berto coz he wasn't.

also cotto was basically threading the top 10 p4p list. i believe he is somewhere around 9-12 spot at the time with a win over jennings and clottey.
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:17 AM   #2429
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cotto was #2 at WW when pac fought him. some have him #1 since he has a victory over mosley. who are the other two welters that are ahead of cotto then at #2 and #3 at the time? some could justify floyd, but a win over marquez that time is not sufficient to put him back at the very top. who is the other one? don't say berto coz he wasn't.
Sorry, Cotto was #3 as ranked by Ring mag. How could anyone have him #1 or #2 when he just got beat down by Margarito? It makes no sense.

Mosley
Floyd
Cotto
Clottey

He wasn't P4P though.
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:22 AM   #2430
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So Mayweather pulls close to Pacquiao by going life and death with an older, more declined version of a guy that Pacquiao absolutely beat the shit out of???
ummmm...life and death???

Going life and death is what Pacquiao and Marquez have done...THREE TIMES. The same Marquez that Floyd beat the shit out of.

Floyd won a handy points vistory over a game and 154 lbs Cotto.
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