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Old 06-19-2012, 02:13 PM   #2701
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Floyd has fought the higher ranked fighters, especially recently.
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Old 06-19-2012, 02:33 PM   #2702
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Old 06-19-2012, 02:42 PM   #2703
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You can say all of that, but really it's just speculation.
Right, but saying Cotto was drained -- despite him showing no signs of it in the fight -- isn't speculation?

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FACT is that Pac tried to drain Cotto to 143, Cotto said no, I'm the champ. ARUM talked to Cotto's nutritionist and they (not Cotto) came to a weight of 145, and then Cotto got backed into a wall in signing the deal
Ok, so let me get this right - Cotto's nutritionist (who works for Cotto) gave consent to the 145 catchweight without bothering to make sure Cotto was cool with it. Come off it.

And of course Pac's lot initially suggested 143. Are you forgetting the time when this was made? You know, when Pac was still an unknown commodity at welterweight? When a catchweight was a given for that fight to happen? That's what people do in negotiations. They wanna' do and secure the most advantageous thing for themselves. Much like Mayweather, feeling dropping to 144 would harm his conditioning, decided to go against his word and do JMM over on the scales.

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Pretty scummy if you asked me. If having Cotto lose extra weight didn't mean anything, then Team PAC would have just let it go and let Cotto weigh whatever he wanted when he turned it down the first time.
Scummy, eh? See above example with Mayweather. That's scummy. Being a career featherweight asking a welterweight to drop two pounds whilst he himself is coming up five (from a division he's only ever had one fight at), is not scummy. It's reasonable - as evident by noone (not the fans, not Cotto, not noone!) having an issue with it before, during and immediately after the fight.
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Old 06-19-2012, 02:45 PM   #2704
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He also beat Baldomir who was the champion according to the same rankings.
Baldomir was ranked #1 at WW by everyone
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Old 06-19-2012, 02:47 PM   #2705
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Right, but saying Cotto was drained -- despite him showing no signs of it in the fight -- isn't speculation?



Ok, so let me get this right - Cotto's nutritionist (who works for Cotto) gave consent to the 145 catchweight without bothering to make sure Cotto was cool with it. Come off it.

And of course Pac's lot initially suggested 143. Are you forgetting the time when this was made? You know, when Pac was still an unknown commodity at welterweight? When a catchweight was a given for that fight to happen? That's what people do in negotiations. They wanna' do and secure the most advantageous thing for themselves. Much like Mayweather, feeling dropping to 144 would harm his conditioning, decided to go against his word and do JMM over on the scales.



Scummy, eh? See above example with Mayweather. That's scummy. Being a career featherweight asking a welterweight to drop two pounds whilst he himself is coming up five (from a division he's only ever had one fight at), is not scummy. It's reasonable - as evident by noone (not the fans, not Cotto, not noone!) having an issue with it before, during and immediately after the fight.
Yes, Arum went to Cotto's nutritionist after Cotto turned down 143. Look it up.

I have said on multiple occasions that wht Mayweather did to Marquez was BS and it tarnished the victory. Hell I don't even really rate the win for Mayweather because of it.

The Cotto win, same logic applies. Cotto even said- once Arum finally had his puppet hands out of Cotto's ass- that cutting that weight for Pacquiao DID harm his body and he was not willing to do it again, which is why he turned the rematch down. That says a lot when someone like Cotto turns down a fight because he didn't want to go through the draining.
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Old 06-19-2012, 03:05 PM   #2706
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Yes, Arum went to Cotto's nutritionist after Cotto turned down 143. Look it up.
And again I ask you - Cotto had no say in it? Cotto's nutritionist, the who works for Cotto, ignored Cotto's pleas for it to be at 147 and set a deal for him to drop two extra pounds?

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Cotto even said- once Arum finally had his puppet hands out of Cotto's ass- that cutting that weight for Pacquiao DID harm his body and he was not willing to do it again, which is why he turned the rematch down. That says a lot when someone like Cotto turns down a fight because he didn't want to go through the draining.
Cotto turned down the fight and bargained harder because he had more options on the table. One of them being a more lucrative fight with Mayweather which made the Pacquiao option not all that attractive. So, quite rightly, if he was to turn the Mayweather fight away for Pacquiao, they needed to have offered him something something worthwhile. Dropping down to 147 when he could remain at 154, was not worthwhile. That "sacrificing my body again" was him being insistent on not wanting to go below 154. In the three years since that Pac defeat, not once has he came out and said he felt weak because of the 145 catchweight.

And enough with nonsense about Cotto being too afraid to speak out when with Arum. After the Margarito scandal, his criticisms towards Margarito and Arum were not held back. Nor were his demands in the Margarito rematch - a 153 catchweight (after cheekily requesting 150 ) and threatening to pull out if the fight was moved from NYC.
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Old 06-19-2012, 03:07 PM   #2707
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Do we really need to go through this again.

Show one example of Mayweather getting KTFO?

Never mind by a rickshaw driver, and a Chinese waiter.

Even making allowances for the fact that Pactards are naturally stupid even you must be able to understand that there actually IS a difference between 154, and 145, so your Cotto , and ODLH analogies are retarded even for a fully paid up Pactard.
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Old 06-19-2012, 03:08 PM   #2708
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And again I ask you - Cotto had no say in it? Cotto's nutritionist, the who works for Cotto, ignored Cotto's pleas for it to be at 147 and set a deal for him to drop two extra pounds?

Right.



Cotto turned down the fight and bargained harder because he had more options on the table. One of them being a more lucrative fight with Mayweather which made the Pacquiao option not all that attractive. So, quite rightly, if he was to turn the Mayweather fight away for Pacquiao, they needed to have offered him something something worthwhile. Dropping down to 147 when he could remain at 154, was not worthwhile. That "sacrificing my body again" was him being insistent on not wanting to go below 154. In the three years since that Pac defeat, not once has he came out and said he felt weak because of the 145 catchweight.

And enough with nonsense about Cotto being too afraid to speak out when with Arum. After the Margarito scandal, his criticisms towards Margarito and Arum were not held back. Nor were his demands in the Margarito rematch - a 153 catchweight (after cheekily requesting 150 ) and threatening to pull out if the fight was moved from NYC.
Cotto was a company man LONG before Pacquiao was. Of course he isn't going to say no to Uncle Bob after he went behind his back to his nutritionist.

I think I'll go with what Cotto says in regards to how he drained himself for Pac, over what you THINK Cotto was thinking when a rematch was put on the table.

Thanks for the input though
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Old 06-19-2012, 03:11 PM   #2709
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Cotto said he was fine at the time

But anyway- the Marquez match did more damage to Pac's "invincibility" (yet really helped serve to lift Marquez) than the Bradley match
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Old 06-19-2012, 03:15 PM   #2710
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Floyd haters are funny. They say people only buy Floyd fight to see him lose. Well, Floyd must be fighting great fighters if people actually think he has chance to lose? I mean, if I was a hater and only watched Floyd to see him lose, I would not buy a ppv in which I thought Floyd was fighting someone who had no chance. Truth is these haters shit on Floyd's resume but secretly think he is fighting a threat and buy the ppv in hopes he loses.
Yep basically this
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Old 06-19-2012, 04:55 PM   #2711
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The discussion starts with --

A. Floyd is scared. He will dodge FILL IN THE BLANK. The fight will never get made.
B. Ok so the fight got made but Floyd's gonna get his ass kicked FILL IN THE BLANK is too [Pick One -- fast, quick, strong, big]
C. Well floyd waited until FILL IN THE BLANK was past his prime, and even though Pac fought him even later (or weight drained, or fought to a draw and/or controversial split/mixed decision), Pac's resume is stronger.

What do you have to smoke to believe this???
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:04 PM   #2712
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The only thing Pac's resume has on Floyd's is volume. They've essentially fought similar talent but Floyd is undefeated and Pac has 4 losses and 2 draws. Is there some ATG on Pac's resume that I'm missing? How is this difficult?
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:06 PM   #2713
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So Mayweather pulls close to Pacquiao by going life and death with an older, more declined version of a guy that Pacquiao absolutely beat the shit out of???
This. What the **** kind of logic is that?
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:13 PM   #2714
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Yes easily.

Go check the rankings.

To those who say Floyd went life and death with Cotto i'll spit on you if I saw you.

Floyd took 10 out of 12 rounds.

Meantime Pacquiao lost to Marquez.

Floyd fights the higher ranked fighters. Floyd fought 3 top 10 in a row.

Hatton
Marquez
Mosley

Not to mention Floyd has not fought an unranked or non top 3 in a divsion or top 10 pound 4 pound since fighting Mitchell in 2005.

Pacquiao fights #6 Mosley and #6 Clottey plus an unranked Margarito. Struggles with both top 10 he just went up against in Marquez and Bradley. Lost to Marquez but beat Bradley.

Floyd has lost 3 rounds since returning from retirement.

120-107 over #2 pound 4 pound Marquez

119-109 over #3 pound 4 pound Mosley #2 WW at the time-lost round 2


40-35 at time of stoppage over Ortiz. Minus 1 on the headbutt plus minus 1 on the KD.

118-110 over #1 JMW Coto. lost rounds 6 and 8.

Pacquiao lost 9 rounds to Marquez, 4 rounds to Bradley.
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:15 PM   #2715
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This. What the **** kind of logic is that?
Lance_uppercut please stay the **** out of my threads.
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