The "Whine About Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!! - Page 235

JohnAnthony · 10-29-2012, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tliang1000

Barrera was not in prime when Manny fought him and Marquez didn't achieve enough to be considered as an ATG when Manny fought him ya dummy.

nope you still don't understand.

Please leave this thread, you don't get how it works.

tliang1000 · 10-29-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

nope you still don't understand.

Please leave this thread, you don't get how it works.

You don't even know what ur on about and you got exposed

Hey Floyd fought JMM too by the time Floyd fought him he have a much better arugment to be a future ATG but he wasn't in prime though but hey 1/2 is good enough right? All ur examples are just 1/2 LOL

crazy8s · 10-29-2012, 03:36 PM

This sounds like the people saying Ward is overrated because he hasn't beaten a prime undefeated fighter...

I mean really?

Xerant · 10-29-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

they will.

he'll be remembered as one of the greatest of all time.

His skills are incredible.

I just wish the Kosta fight happened, or manny in 08. or mosley or oscar really early on so we could see how good he truly is.

Ya me too has a fan after studying is fight hardcorr fan from his time will always have the what if. But your right in saying that in 50 years he mite be,rated higher than he should of because he,was playing this hate game. Its,still a hard game to play and even tho Peeps like broner will try to play it at one,point u need to step to the plate and get that torch.

GOW7 · 10-29-2012, 03:39 PM

Floyd has fought more prime fighters than Manny. Fact
Floyd has faced more P4P top 10 fighters than Manny. Fact
TS agenda is weak as hell. Manny only fights guys on decline and if not he will wait years to make sure(JMM minus this 4th fight). Floyds resume is more more legit in that regards. Plus I would pick a prime Castillo over Barrera and Morales any day of the weak. IMO.

Rudyard · 10-29-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by crazy8s

This sounds like the people saying Ward is overrated because he hasn't beaten a prime undefeated fighter...

I mean really?

Well, According to the douche FAILEY, thats exactly why he states Ward is overrated because of what you just mentioned...I bullshit you not!

GOW7 · 10-29-2012, 03:40 PM

Just know the most prime opponent Manny has ever fought in his career was Timothy Bradley and he has a "L" to show for that fight.

tliang1000 · 10-29-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GOW7

Floyd has fought more prime fighters than Manny. Fact
Floyd has faced more P4P top 10 fighters than Manny. Fact
TS agenda is weak as hell. Manny only fights guys on decline and if not he will wait years to make sure(JMM minus this 4th fight). Floyds resume is more more legit in that regards. Plus I would pick a prime Castillo over Barrera and Morales any day of the weak. IMO.

Yep. I agree. And some how Manny has beat prime ATGs lol. Who david diaz? Soto? Clottey? what a joke.

Elite · 10-29-2012, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GOW7

Floyd has fought more prime fighters than Manny. Fact
Floyd has faced more P4P top 10 fighters than Manny. Fact
TS agenda is weak as hell. Manny only fights guys on decline and if not he will wait years to make sure(JMM minus this 4th fight). Floyds resume is more more legit in that regards. Plus I would pick a prime Castillo over Barrera and Morales any day of the weak. IMO.

I was amused by this thread. First it was tliang1000 with his retardness of not understanding the thread and this funny post right here that took the cake and made me laugh.

But, I would say in Floyds case it was his acievements in holding that 0 and winning belts is what made him so great despite the lack of ATGs. Though I only consider Barerra to be in his prime when he fought Pac and Morales as in his semi-prime when he fought Pac from their he went downward. But yes, Marquez and Pac were in their prime when they first both fought each other and I also see that in the second fight.

tliang1000 · 10-29-2012, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Elite

I was amused by this thread. First it was tliang1000 with his retardness of not understanding the thread and this funny post right here that took the cake and made me laugh.

But, I would say in Floyds case it was his acievements in holding that 0 and winning belts is what made him so great despite the lack of ATGs. Though I only consider Barerra to be in his prime when he fought Pac and Morales as in his semi-prime when he fought Pac from their he went downward. But yes, Marquez and Pac were in their prime when they first both fought each other and I also see that in the second fight.

You are dumb as fuck if you think that John knows what he is talking about. Weak alt. And u don't know what ur talking about either.

jjnight · 10-29-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MichiganWarrior

Calzaghe and Tsyu arent ATGs. Tsyu lost to fucking vicent phillips.

And Ricky Hatton!

anj · 10-29-2012, 04:35 PM

People are pretty dumb on this thread.

The OP is saying Mayweather did not face any fighters in their prime who went on to be considered ATG.

It's true. Mayweather did not ever face a fighter in their prime who will be considered an ATG.
i.e Marquez, 37 years old when Mayweather fought him. Mayweather made him move up 2 weight classes pretty much. Marquez will be considered an ATG. By that time he was already considered an ATG anyways.

Mayweather's resume is good. He is an ATG, but there are many other fighters i.e Oscar De La Hoya, who has a greater resume, despite Mayweather having zero losses.
Oscar for example has fought greater opposition.

However, if at identical weights with Barrera, Morales, Hamed, Marquez in his prime, Tszyu and all of the other ATG's of this era...Mayweather may as well have them on his resume as we know he would beat them.

tliang1000 · 10-29-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

Serious question.

Guys like the Klitchko's have to stick to there weight class, so can only fight who's available.

What I want to know is. How has Floyd managed to rise 5 weight Classes, earn a shit load of money, be recognised as the number 1 fighter in the sport. Yet manage to avoid facing a Prime ATG, and arguably manage to avoid fighting any prime 1st ballot HOF'ers his whole career.

Guys been around 16 years!!!

Are there any other fighters who've managed to fight through so many weight classes, and never had to fight one prime HOF'er or ATG.

Or is Floyd a one off?

One of the most ignorant post i've seen in a long time.

Spitfire7 · 10-29-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Elite

I was amused by this thread. First it was tliang1000 with his retardness of not understanding the thread and this funny post right here that took the cake and made me laugh.

What is funnier (and sad at the same time) is that these dumb mofos are so obstinate and incorrigible in their retardation it's embarrassing.

...and what is it with Flomongs and the word "Fact" at the end of their disjointed, almost unintelligible sentences?

MVC · 10-29-2012, 04:45 PM

Marciano-

"He fought an OLD Louis"

"Fought a green/old (I heard both) Archie Moore

even though Archie just beat an ATG in Bobo Olson and goes on to win credible opponents"

"Retired early at 32, would have taken losses if he continued"

Joe Calzaghe

"Ducked Chad Dawson", Fucking Chad Dawson

"Avoided American fighters for most of his life"

Then he goes to America

"Fights an old RJJ/Hopkins even though Hopkins became champion after

"

"Loses to Ward in 4

"

"JEFF LACY WAS OVERRATED" even though everyone was on his nuts before the Calzaghe fight.

Floyd Pretty Boy Money Mayweather Joy Sinclair

"Avoided Kostya Tsuya, Margacheato and Morales (Even thougH Morales has been doing ALL the avoiding, Paul Williams, prime Cotto

"

"Cherry picking even though most to all of his opponents come off wins, at their weight class, top 10 p4p"

"Lost to Castillo 1 when in reality Floyd beat him by a good margin of 115-112"

"Ducking Manny Pacquiao when we all know Arum has been doing the avoiding"

"Ducked Barrera

"

Sven Ottke

"Robbed vs Reid"

"Avoided all American opposition"

"Biggest fraud"

"Avoided Joe Calzaghe"

Fact is 172 opponents have TRIED, 172 came up short. GET OVER IT.

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crazy8s Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 638 vCash: 500	Re: How come Floyd has never fought a Prime ATG? This sounds like the people saying Ward is overrated because he hasn't beaten a prime undefeated fighter... I mean really?
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10-29-2012, 03:39 PM	#3515
GOW7 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: C-Town AZ Posts: 2,610 vCash: 500	Re: How come Floyd has never fought a Prime ATG? Floyd has fought more prime fighters than Manny. Fact Floyd has faced more P4P top 10 fighters than Manny. Fact TS agenda is weak as hell. Manny only fights guys on decline and if not he will wait years to make sure(JMM minus this 4th fight). Floyds resume is more more legit in that regards. Plus I would pick a prime Castillo over Barrera and Morales any day of the weak. IMO.
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10-29-2012, 03:40 PM	#3517
GOW7 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: C-Town AZ Posts: 2,610 vCash: 500	Re: How come Floyd has never fought a Prime ATG? Just know the most prime opponent Manny has ever fought in his career was Timothy Bradley and he has a "L" to show for that fight.
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10-29-2012, 04:35 PM	#3522
anj Fuck The Judges ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Durham/Essex, England Posts: 1,999 vCash: 300	Re: How come Floyd has never fought a Prime ATG? People are pretty dumb on this thread. The OP is saying Mayweather did not face any fighters in their prime who went on to be considered ATG. It's true. Mayweather did not ever face a fighter in their prime who will be considered an ATG. i.e Marquez, 37 years old when Mayweather fought him. Mayweather made him move up 2 weight classes pretty much. Marquez will be considered an ATG. By that time he was already considered an ATG anyways. Mayweather's resume is good. He is an ATG, but there are many other fighters i.e Oscar De La Hoya, who has a greater resume, despite Mayweather having zero losses. Oscar for example has fought greater opposition. However, if at identical weights with Barrera, Morales, Hamed, Marquez in his prime, Tszyu and all of the other ATG's of this era...Mayweather may as well have them on his resume as we know he would beat them.
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10-29-2012, 04:45 PM	#3525
MVC Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,372 vCash: 681	People just seem to HATE undefeated fighters Marciano- "He fought an OLD Louis" "Fought a green/old (I heard both) Archie Moore even though Archie just beat an ATG in Bobo Olson and goes on to win credible opponents" "Retired early at 32, would have taken losses if he continued" Joe Calzaghe "Ducked Chad Dawson", Fucking Chad Dawson "Avoided American fighters for most of his life" Then he goes to America "Fights an old RJJ/Hopkins even though Hopkins became champion after " "Loses to Ward in 4 " "JEFF LACY WAS OVERRATED" even though everyone was on his nuts before the Calzaghe fight. Floyd Pretty Boy Money Mayweather Joy Sinclair "Avoided Kostya Tsuya, Margacheato and Morales (Even thougH Morales has been doing ALL the avoiding, Paul Williams, prime Cotto " "Cherry picking even though most to all of his opponents come off wins, at their weight class, top 10 p4p" "Lost to Castillo 1 when in reality Floyd beat him by a good margin of 115-112" "Ducking Manny Pacquiao when we all know Arum has been doing the avoiding" "Ducked Barrera " Sven Ottke "Robbed vs Reid" "Avoided all American opposition" "Biggest fraud" "Avoided Joe Calzaghe" Fact is 172 opponents have TRIED, 172 came up short. GET OVER IT.
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