The "Whine About Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

[kadyo]

Originally Posted by larryx2012

tell me when was the last time manny faced the #1 or #2 guy in his division.....ill wait

Thia thred is about undefeated fighters, larry.

[mrjotatp4p]

Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

not really. ok here's another example. If Manny decided to fight at light welter.
He agrees to fight garcia. Yes he's fighting the "best" in the division.
But there are still tougher fights at 140. He's probably even get accused of cherry picking garcia.
People would say "Floyd can make 140, Marquez can Make 140. Bradley is a better fighter. Why don't you fight one of those?"


But Manny could say, I don't need to fight them. I'm fighting Garcia. The Best fighter at 140. SO i don't need to fight any of those guys.

Dude just stop it. If Manny fought Garcia at 140 then he is fighting the best 140 guy in that division. Now I see why you guys hate on Mayweather bc you all are fucking nuts.

[mrjotatp4p]

Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

ok you worded it best.

Floyd fought the number 1 in each division.

But not who i would say is the best fighter in that division.

So you are saying that the number 1 guy in a division is not the number one guy in a division.

[larryx2012]

When was the last time Manny faced the #1 or #2 guy in his division? when was the last time he faced a current champion in his division??

Bradley-not ranked at 147
jmm-not ranked at 147
Mosley-coming off a loss and a draw
Margo-hadnt won a meanigful fight in 2 years
Clottey-just lost to cotto
cotto-Bingo-wbo champ and top 3 ww-2009

Floyd

Cotto-#1 at 154 WBA CHAMP
Ortiz-#2 at ww-WBC CHAMP
Shane-#1 at ww-WBA CHAMP
Jmm-not ranked at 147
Hatton-former 147 champ but not ranked


so how is Floyd the cherry picker here,please tell me how???

[turbotime]

Originally Posted by JohnAnthony

ok you worded it best.

Floyd fought the number 1 in each division.

But not who i would say is the best fighter in that division.

So because you say it that makes it so?

[larryx2012]

Originally Posted by kadyo

Thia thred is about undefeated fighters, larry.

but i refuse to listen to a pacfuck like puga try to down floyd while praising manny who needs a cherry tree in his yard how he cherry picks

[mrjotatp4p]

People just love to hate Mayweather regardless if they are nuts in their reasoning. The fact of the matter is that Floyd Mayweather has fought either the #1, #2, or #3 guy in each division that he has been in. No Vacant titles. He beat Champs each time.

[JohnAnthony]

Originally Posted by mrjotatp4p

So you are saying that the number 1 guy in a division is not the number one guy in a division.

I'm saying you can be number one in a division. but not be the best fighter. Yes I am.

Just like you can win the superbowl and not be the best team.

You can win wimbledon and not be the best player.

I could go on.

[JohnAnthony]

Originally Posted by mrjotatp4p

Dude just stop it. If Manny fought Garcia at 140 then he is fighting the best 140 guy in that division. Now I see why you guys hate on Mayweather bc you all are fucking nuts.

He's fighting the number one guy.

Your the one who's nuts if you think garcia is the best fighter at 140.

[JohnAnthony]

Originally Posted by turbotime

So because you say it that makes it so?

In my mind.

And if you think the guy who's ranked number one in every division also happens to be the best fighter in that division then go right ahead.

But I personally don't

[Uncle Rico]

130: Genaro, Corrales
135: Castillo X2
147: Baldomir, Mosley
154: Cotto

At 4 of his 5 weight classes, he holds completely legit claim as having beaten the then best fighter in the division.

Not much of a statement to refute. Baldomir may very well have been rated number one at 147 at the time, but, come on, it's Baldomir . He was only the number one because the 147 division was still fuzzy at the time. Mosley was up fighting at 154, and Margarito was coming through, too. Those two fighters right there were/are better and more dangerous than Baldomir has ever been.

And no, Mosley was not the then best fighter of the division. He was fought in May 2010 - when Pacquiao was the best fighter of the division.

Finally, Cotto is/was not the definite best man at 154. This division was wide open when Mayweather fought him. And it still is. I mean, how can you be the best man of your division when you've had to rely on cherry-picked fights (Foreman and Mayorga) and an unfit, damaged Margarito during your time there?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Mayweather's resume here. It's still good. Very good. But let's not paint the rosey picture that he's picked the definite best people at the time in those divisions (147 and 154).

[JohnAnthony]

Originally Posted by Uncle Rico

Not much of a statement to refute. Baldomir may very well have been rated number one at 147 at the time, but, come on, it's Baldomir . He was only the number one because the 147 division was still fuzzy at the time. Mosley was up fighting at 154, and Margarito was coming through, too. Those two fighters right there were/are better and more dangerous than Baldomir has ever been.

And no, Mosley was not the then best fighter of the division. He was fought in May 2010 - when Pacquiao was the best fighter of the division.

Finally, Cotto is/was not the definite best man at 154. This division was wide open when Mayweather fought him. And it still is. I mean, how can you be the best man of your division when you've had to rely on cherry-picked fights (Foreman and Mayorga) and an unfit, damaged Margarito during your time there?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Mayweather's resume here. It's still good. Very good. But let's not paint the rosey picture that he's picked the best available people in those divisions (147 and 154).

Don't bother. I'm getting killed in hear by even suggesting that just cos your number 1 in the division that doesn't mean there aren't much better fighters around.

[larryx2012]

What prime atg should he have fought??please let me know

[JohnAnthony]

Originally Posted by Uncle Rico

Not much of a statement to refute. Baldomir may very well have been rated number one at 147 at the time, but, come on, it's Baldomir . He was only the number one because the 147 division was still fuzzy at the time. Mosley was up fighting at 154, and Margarito was coming through, too. Those two fighters right there were/are better and more dangerous than Baldomir has ever been.

And no, Mosley was not the then best fighter of the division. He was fought in May 2010 - when Pacquiao was the best fighter of the division.

Finally, Cotto is/was not the definite best man at 154. This division was wide open when Mayweather fought him. And it still is. I mean, how can you be the best man of your division when you've had to rely on cherry-picked fights (Foreman and Mayorga) and an unfit, damaged Margarito during your time there?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Mayweather's resume here. It's still good. Very good. But let's not paint the rosey picture that he's picked the definite best people at the time in those divisions (147 and 154).

but you have worded it much better than me.
Especially you assesment of Cotto being number one at Light middle.

[larryx2012]

Floyd has won 0 vacant belts.0 belts at a catchweight..he won ALL his titles from top fighters,why is he so damn underrated on him and a fighter who comes along and wins 2 titles at a catchweight and even a damn vacant belt so praised?