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Old 11-12-2012, 11:49 PM   #6316
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:02 AM   #6317
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He's not a devastating puncher at any thing above 135 possibily 130. This is probbly why he's dragged his feet when it comes to a Mayweather fight. Sure he has a stoppage over David Diaz. A C+ boxer at 135 and that ko of Ricky Htton, who was damaged goods at 147. To stop Cotto he had to bring the fight to 145. De La Hoya had no busniss at 147. He had target practice with Josh Clottey and Tony Margarito, and couldn't stop either. Mosley who was faded gave him some fits. Marquez who only got the fight due to the fact he looked bad against Mayweather at the same weight. Most people belive beat him. Had Bradley showed power qat 140 the fight at 147 would not have been made. Pacquiao had used the testing as an excuse not to fight Mayweather.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:32 AM   #6318
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Pacquiao's Body Hasn't Changed Much

Pac's body has filled out as he's gone up in weight, but by and large, his body has remained the same. He's always been lean and has looked less shredded than his days in the lower weight classes. His body size has looked the same from the Hatton fight to the Bradley fight. Compared to most junior welters and welters, Pac looks like a little twirp.

Pac has NOT undergone a physical change that would suggest that he's roiding. No one, neither writer nor boxing fan, has observed a significantly transformed body. The head size argument is just gay as **** considering that there are pictures of Pacquiao as a teenager sporting an unusually massive dome.


Pacquiao Has Never Been a Dirty Fighter


He doesn't rabbit punch, punch nutsacks, throw elbows, push heads down (intentionally), or retaliate (Barrera for punching on the break, Sanchez's headbutts and low blows). When Pac punched Marquez when Marquez was hanging on the ropes, it was more out of momentum and over excitement than being dirty. He let up on Margarito and practically begged the ref to stop the fight. Also, watch the end of the Diaz fight. Pac goes to check on Diaz, but is ushered away. Pure class.


Pacquiao Hasn't KO'D Anyone in 3 Years

Pac couldn't knock Cotto out. The stoppage occurred due to accumulation and Bayless having seen enough. Cotto wasn't out on his feet or knocked around like a rag doll at any point. Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, Marquez, and Bradley all lasted the distance. No one, not even Cotto, has said that Pac punches with frightening power. Yet they've all attributed his effectiveness to speed and angles.

Pac's power clearly has not carried up to the higher weights. The Hatton KO was a combination of the perfect punch being thrown aided by Hatton turning into it. And if you need anymore proof, Marquez said after their third meeting that Pac punched harder in their previous 2 fights.


Pacquiao NEVER refused Olympic Style Drug Testing

I repeat - Pac has NEVER refused Olympic Style Drug Testing. Pac wanted a cut-off date so as to finish the weeks leading up to the fight (the Fight of the Century!) with no interruption. Pac agreed to unlimited urine samples up until the day of the fight and a blood test immediately after the fight.

And there is no question whatsoever that Floyd was just trying to muscle Pac around to gain a mental advantage. They say boxing is 100% mental, and Floyd is no doubt the sport's biggest practitioner of pre-fight mental warfare. One more time for the Flomos - Pac NEVER refused Olympic Style Drug Testing!


Pacquiao Has Repeatedly Demonstrated a Genuine Desire to Help Others

Aside from being a very clean fighter in the ring, Pac's personality outside of the ring (aside from the boozing and debauchery) doesn't reflect the actions of an individual that possesses a win at all costs mentality. He didn't need to go into politics, especially at the height of his boxing career. With his celebrity status, he could have easily lived off of endorsements, acting, and appearances. Instead, he took on a shit paying political job which requires him to dig deep into his bank account often. I'm not saying he's a saint or anything, but he's definitely helped out his country.


Pacquiao Told the Truth When the Best and Easiest Thing He Could Have Done Was Lie His Ass Off

When the whole debacle about homo***uality went down (no pun intended), on something Pac didn't even say, tons of major newspapers and gossip sites picked it up and ran with it. GLAAD and human rights groups furiously demanded that Nike drop him immediately. A mall owner sent out a statement saying that Pac was no longer welcome to make an appearance. Things were looking very ugly for Pac as he found himself at the center of one of America's hot button issues.

The best and easiest thing Pac could have done was to apologize, blame context, and say that everyone deserves to be happy and marry whoever they wanted. What did Pac do? He flat out said that he didn't agree with homo***uality and same *** marriage. This is a death knell for most people of celebrity status today, but he stuck with his guns and risked the good guy image (manufactured or not) and the potential repercussions.

This says to me that Pac's a pretty legit guy.

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this is really easy.

floyd had all the time in the world and a bunch of high-powered lawyers (well not as great as teh keyboard warriors here) and usada on his side, to prove otherwise, what happened?
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:33 AM   #6319
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Pacquiao's Body Hasn't Changed Much

Pac's body has filled out as he's gone up in weight, but by and large, his body has remained the same. He's always been lean and has looked less shredded than his days in the lower weight classes. His body size has looked the same from the Hatton fight to the Bradley fight. Compared to most junior welters and welters, Pac looks like a little twirp.

Pac has NOT undergone a physical change that would suggest that he's roiding. No one, neither writer nor boxing fan, has observed a significantly transformed body. The head size argument is just gay as **** considering that there are pictures of Pacquiao as a teenager sporting an unusually massive dome.


Pacquiao Has Never Been a Dirty Fighter


He doesn't rabbit punch, punch nutsacks, throw elbows, push heads down (intentionally), or retaliate (Barrera for punching on the break, Sanchez's headbutts and low blows). When Pac punched Marquez when Marquez was hanging on the ropes, it was more out of momentum and over excitement than being dirty. He let up on Margarito and practically begged the ref to stop the fight. Also, watch the end of the Diaz fight. Pac goes to check on Diaz, but is ushered away. Pure class.


Pacquiao Hasn't KO'D Anyone in 3 Years

Pac couldn't knock Cotto out. The stoppage occurred due to accumulation and Bayless having seen enough. Cotto wasn't out on his feet or knocked around like a rag doll at any point. Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, Marquez, and Bradley all lasted the distance. No one, not even Cotto, has said that Pac punches with frightening power. Yet they've all attributed his effectiveness to speed and angles.

Pac's power clearly has not carried up to the higher weights. The Hatton KO was a combination of the perfect punch being thrown aided by Hatton turning into it. And if you need anymore proof, Marquez said after their third meeting that Pac punched harder in their previous 2 fights.


Pacquiao NEVER refused Olympic Style Drug Testing

I repeat - Pac has NEVER refused Olympic Style Drug Testing. Pac wanted a cut-off date so as to finish the weeks leading up to the fight (the Fight of the Century!) with no interruption. Pac agreed to unlimited urine samples up until the day of the fight and a blood test immediately after the fight.

And there is no question whatsoever that Floyd was just trying to muscle Pac around to gain a mental advantage. They say boxing is 100% mental, and Floyd is no doubt the sport's biggest practitioner of pre-fight mental warfare. One more time for the Flomos - Pac NEVER refused Olympic Style Drug Testing!


Pacquiao Has Repeatedly Demonstrated a Genuine Desire to Help Others

Aside from being a very clean fighter in the ring, Pac's personality outside of the ring (aside from the boozing and debauchery) doesn't reflect the actions of an individual that possesses a win at all costs mentality. He didn't need to go into politics, especially at the height of his boxing career. With his celebrity status, he could have easily lived off of endorsements, acting, and appearances. Instead, he took on a shit paying political job which requires him to dig deep into his bank account often. I'm not saying he's a saint or anything, but he's definitely helped out his country.


Pacquiao Told the Truth When the Best and Easiest Thing He Could Have Done Was Lie His Ass Off

When the whole debacle about homo***uality went down (no pun intended), on something Pac didn't even say, tons of major newspapers and gossip sites picked it up and ran with it. GLAAD and human rights groups furiously demanded that Nike drop him immediately. A mall owner sent out a statement saying that Pac was no longer welcome to make an appearance. Things were looking very ugly for Pac as he found himself at the center of one of America's hot button issues.

The best and easiest thing Pac could have done was to apologize, blame context, and say that everyone deserves to be happy and marry whoever they wanted. What did Pac do? He flat out said that he didn't agree with homo***uality and same *** marriage. This is a death knell for most people of celebrity status today, but he stuck with his guns and risked the good guy image (manufactured or not) and the potential repercussions.

This says to me that Pac's a pretty legit guy.

Thanks for reading.


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o_money, "this guy's full of shit"

P.s. ya he did refuse OSDT. And then even if he didn't everyone in his team says no to it. Its the same game everytime. Pac says all the right things about making the fight. Most of which are in direct opposition with things said by his closest advisors. Fact is you don't know what he'll agree to cause there is too much serial bull shit that comes out of his mouth and ever one's around him.

p.s.s. All politics is local. Pac bashed gays cause it wins him votes with his constituents. You call that standing your ground? I call that being a bully. It's pathetic.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:34 AM   #6320
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All on PEDs accept it & move on.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:40 AM   #6321
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He is so obviously blood doped that they have joked about it openly on TV. Most of the top tier boxers are cheating IMO. He's as much a filthy dirty cheat as the rest of the lot. The only difference is that he has legions of borderline mentally handicapped sycophants who believe any stupid crap Team Pac tells them.

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Old 11-13-2012, 12:42 AM   #6322
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All on PEDs accept it & move on.
its still a level playing field then. makes you wonder why floyd wont fight if he is on peds himself.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:54 AM   #6323
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its still a level playing field then. makes you wonder why floyd wont fight if he is on peds himself.
No it ain't. Its the same as the lance armstrong bullshit. Whoever has the best doctors and most sophisticated doping program gets to win 7 straight tour de Frances' or hit 70 something home runs or blah blah blah. Juicing is like the burns at your high school that used to do drugs. There's the weekend warriors (Vargas) who do a little pot on the weekend and then there is the guys who are bumpin' medical grade designer dex. Everyone is doing it but there's some people that are playing a whole different ****ing ball game. And sad to say but they're the ones that are going to be breaking all the records and making all the big cash. Floyd may be on the juice but at least he's talking about the issue. Pac's in the back doing lines of androstienedione of some chick's ass, who isn't his wife, laughing at all the dumb-asses that actually think some one can move up from 115 lb to 147 lb and go bomb for bomb with the best without being on something. Sorry not in this day and age boyz.

p.s. On a serious note. I agree with the above poster and everyone else on the thread that believes that a lot of top fighters (if not all) are on the juice. I have over ten years of formal post secondary education, all of which has been in the sciences. When I'm not ****ing around (as in the above post) I apply a very scientific, logic based, approach to almost everything I do or contemplate. Its a by product of my training. I find one thing that I've noticed is that most people who haven't had their brains warped by the scientific method don't realize how-much of their overall decisions, reasoning, and beliefs are based on faith, hope and emotions/emotional connections. I can remember several years back having an argument with a female roommate of mine about lance Armstrong being on PEDs. My argument was a pretty simple "if literally everyone around him is getting busted (all his teammates and all his main major rivals) then obviously the guy is on the shit. This is the most simple, basic argument out there but she wouldn't have any of it. She argued weak ass point after weak ass point until eventually she basically gave up. And in the end what it came down to for her was two major principles, the first being that 1) a person is innocent until proven guilty and 2) that she didn't want to believe that the fairy-tale story of a guy who beats cancer, raises hundreds of millions of dollars for cancer research and goes on to be the greatest his sport has ever seen could possibly be a drug cheat.


The cold hard fact is that almost every-time the sport of boxing has gone digging under a rock to look for PEDs use, embarrassingly one of their stars has been busted for their use. This is no different then almost any other professional sport in the world. The other cold hard fact is that pac has moved up too many wt divisions to believe that he at some point hasn't juiced. All these arguments about his head size, what he's agreed to, or what his principles outside the ring maybe are irrelevant. You can't make as strong a causal relationship with Pac and his opponents being on juice as you could with lance and his main rivals. But that simply is because Boxing, like NFL, like Hockey, like the NBA, the MLB and major soccer leagues leave PEDs buried on the largest rock they can find. There is already implications or good evidence to suggest that almost every single top guy in boxing over the past 20 years has been on steroids (Jones, Holyfied, hopkins, DLH, mosely, K-bros, toney, Vargas, pac, mayweather and many many more). And this is in a sport where all that is required is a piss test the night of the fight. With all the steroid use in all other major sports world wide, how can you honestly believe that it doesn't exist in boxing too?

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Old 11-13-2012, 01:09 AM   #6324
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The real SIX REASONS Why MANNY PACQUIAO is CLEAN:

1. Magic rice

2. Afraid of needles

3. Doesn't know what steroids are

4. Believes in God

5. Blood tests really do make him feel weak & yucky

6. More magic rice
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:35 AM   #6325
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yo the thread starter is a complete moron of epic status.

all 6 of your reasons are complete blasphemy.

the fact u believe your bullshit,only makes me pray for your kids,or that u never have them to fill them with your ignorance and retard syndrome.

do us all a favor and jump off a roof head first.please.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:43 AM   #6326
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There is absolutely NOTHING on his medical record that would require hiding. HIV and STD testing is mandatory, so he ain't hiding a disease. What Team Pacquiao sought was the FULL TEST RESULTS and CONTRACT AGREEMENT in relation to the three fights in which Floyd hired USADA for.

USADA released all of the NEGATIVE TEST RESULTS, but that's not to say that there were no POSITIVE TEST RESULTS. Floyd HIRED USADA, which means he has a PERSONAL CONTRACT w/ them. A PERSONAL CONTRACT in which the TERMS are all dictated by FLOYD, INCLUDING the handling of any positive results. USADA is Floyd's client and he pays them VERY WELL.

USADA tested Lance Armstrong, but Armstrong is not USADA's employer. Floyd has a personal contract with USADA. Floyd is USADA's employer. Don't you see how ****ing suspicious this is?

FACT: Floyd wants full transparency except for when it comes to his contract/medical records w/ USADA. Only a ****ing Flomo can't see the shady in this.

Floyd was about to get nailed, so he quickly settled the case.


What was the setttlement????

Exactly, you dont know. Likely less than the money Mayweather was paying his lawyers to handle the court appearances.

Settling out of court very well benefits Mayweather financially.
He gets the lawsuit out of the way and Pacquiao comes out looking like he won the case????

How so? Mayweather still wont fight Pacquiao without PED tests being performed.


......and who say's but a Pactarded moron like yourself that only negative tests results are to be made public???


Do you think Mosley, Ortiz, and Cotto would have agreed to PED tests if only negative test results were to be made public.
What would be the purpose of taking PED tests in the first place.

Do you think an opponent of Mayweather's would be fine to have positive results by Mayweather withheld?

What was the purpose of Pacquiao seeking Mayweather full medical records when he was'nt willing to release his own????
If it was for the purpose of seeing if there was any positive tests results he did'nt need to ask for medical records. All he needed was to have Mayweather and USDA come out with they signed between them to have his fights tested for PED's!
Get your head out of Pacquiao's ass, a signed contract between them is all thats needed to find out if only negative results are to be made public.


You're simply just a pactarded jackass who's simply dealing and throwing out theories and not basing it on any facts what so ever.

Unless you offer something substantial like USADA making public only negative tests results are to be made public (whish is insane) I'm through with you.

Estoy fuera!
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:43 AM   #6327
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:49 AM   #6328
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thats just chump change for the guy..
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And you won't see a dollar of any of it. BLATTTTT!!!!!!!!
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:26 AM   #6330
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Do you think Floyd is a master sports gambler making millions off his betting? I think it's more likely that he only tweets his winning betting slips and will end up broke.
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