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Old 08-04-2011, 04:59 PM   #856
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Their stats throughout their whole career says otherwise.
their stats in their 5 most recent fights indicate that Pac is better at this recently.
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Pac can deal with movement guy look at all the movement Mosley gave him and he still got completely shut out.
He missed all night swinging at Mosley. And Mosley simply circled away and had him lost. If Mosley could have pulled the trigger Pac would have been in a world of hurt. Look at his fight with Cotto when he was moving and it frustrated the hell outta Manny. All he hid was fallow Cotto around not cutting the ring off. Manny can't cut off a ring to save his life and you ****ing know it.
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Old 08-04-2011, 04:59 PM   #858
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While making pac look very ordinary in the process. How does that work?

If pac was so versatile how come he failed to adapt to what mosley was doing to him?
why do you need to adapt when you are winning every single round? Isn't the point to win the fight??? hit and don't get hit?

Pac landed more than 3 times more punches on Mosley than Mosley landed on Pac.
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Look we need to stop pretending that floyd goes into the ring and uses the same game plan for each fighter, because that is not true.

The way floyd fought baldomir, judah, oscar, hatton, marquez and mosley has all been different. Yet floyd comes out of them fights able to hit and not get hit, not only does this show his versatility in regards to adapting to each opponent but also his skill level.
No one said Floyd goes in with a game plan...Floyd doesn't watch film on opponents and he doesn't have a gameplan formulated before his fights.

I agree he's got a very high skill level but again.......that doesn't mean he's more versitile offensively than Manny.. Defensively, of course!

PAC is a different kind of fighter who does have seperate game plans in place before his fights. that in itself doesn't mean he's versitile either, but in his fights with Marg, Shane, DLH and Hatton he's implemented different strategies and beat them all using different strategies that Roach formulated. Game plans that are only effective if the one implementing the plan is operating at a high level.
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Old 08-04-2011, 05:02 PM   #860
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their stats in their 5 most recent fights indicate that Pac is better at this recently.
No cut off dates. I said their whole career.
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He missed all night swinging at Mosley. And Mosley simply circled away and had him lost. If Mosley could have pulled the trigger Pac would have been in a world of hurt. Look at his fight with Cotto when he was moving and it frustrated the hell outta Manny. All he hid was fallow Cotto around not cutting the ring off. Manny can't cut off a ring to save his life and you ****ing know it.
Pacquiao only lost 1 round on all 3 scorecards against Cotto. just ONE. And that was the first round when he looked like he wanted to catch Cotto cold.

Pacquiao dominated the shit out of Cotto.
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why do you need to adapt when you are winning every single round? Isn't the point to win the fight??? hit and don't get hit?
Pac becomes visably frustrated when people use movement. He wants people to stand and trade with him but when they don't oblidge him he's clueless and looks amatuerish fallowing them around swinging wildly not cutting the ring.
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No cut off dates. I said their whole career.
We don't have stats for their whole career now do we
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No one said Floyd goes in with a game plan...Floyd doesn't watch film on opponents and he doesn't have a gameplan formulated before his fights.

I agree he's got a very high skill level but again.......that doesn't mean he's more versitile offensively than Manny.. Defensively, of course!

PAC is a different kind of fighter who does have seperate game plans in place before his fights. that in itself doesn't mean he's versitile either, but in his fights with Marg, Shane, DLH and Hatton he's implemented different strategies and beat them all using different strategies that Roach formulated. Game plans that are only effective if the one implementing the plan is operating at a high level.
If you really believe that, then you must be the very gullible in life.
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We don't have stats for their whole career now do we
Compu box has stats and they have said floyd is the most accurate fighter on their system, sorry to burst your bubble.
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Pacquiao only lost 1 round on all 3 scorecards against Cotto. just ONE. And that was the first round when he looked like he wanted to catch Cotto cold.

Pacquiao dominated the shit out of Cotto.
Yeah he did but Cotto fought the dumbest fight he had since Margo. He should have moved and boxed with Pac instead he thought he could simply overpower him. His movement later in the fight frustrated Cotto and gave him trouble. Anyone with a pair of eyes can see that movement gives Pac trouble.
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Compu box has stats and they have said floyd is the most accurate fighter on their system, sorry to burst your bubble.
like I said I'm talking about number of punches landed and number received, not necessarily accuracy.


look at it this way if we fight for one round and I land 15 out of 60 punches on you and you land 5 out of 10 on me... who is better at hitting who and not getting hit?

Are you better because you landed 50% while I landed 25% or am I better cause I landed 3 times more punches than you did.
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I think Manny struggles a lot whenever somebody doesn't make them self a still target. Watch round 3 of the Morales fight, rounds 8 and 10 of the Cotto fight, and watch rounds 6 and 7 of the Jorge Solis fight.
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Yeah he did but Cotto fought the dumbest fight he had since Margo. He should have moved and boxed with Pac instead he thought he could simply overpower him. His movement later in the fight frustrated Cotto and gave him trouble. Anyone with a pair of eyes can see that movement gives Pac trouble.
Cotto's movement later in the fight gave Pac trouble yet Pac managed to get the stoppage in the 12th and didn't lose a single round late in the fight on all 3 scorecards. That's a whole shitload of trouble.

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No cut off dates. I said their whole career.
Not even a 14-day window?
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