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Old 08-08-2011, 04:28 PM   #1036
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Long time ago. The only versatility Floyd has shown is when fighting much smaller fighters. People keep confusing adaptation to versatility. Floyd is a defensive fighter. He adapts his defense to take away what his opponent is doing. That does not equal versatility. He is still a defensive counter puncher.
Look at the N'dou fight I posted. Floyd fought him completely different in round 3 than he did in round 3.

And N'dou is taller and has a longer reach than Floyd
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Old 08-08-2011, 04:29 PM   #1037
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That sounds more like a Mayweather fight than Pacquiao.
He think Pacquiao is a better counter puncher than Floyd.

(I'm dead serious, he was arguing this with me in another thread)
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Old 08-08-2011, 04:34 PM   #1038
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Long time ago. The only versatility Floyd has shown is when fighting much smaller fighters. People keep confusing adaptation to versatility. Floyd is a defensive fighter. He adapts his defense to take away what his opponent is doing. That does not equal versatility. He is still a defensive counter puncher.
You need to be versitile in order to adapt, Genius...
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Old 08-08-2011, 04:45 PM   #1039
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He think Pacquiao is a better counter puncher than Floyd.

(I'm dead serious, he was arguing this with me in another thread)
His counter punching is clearly more effective. By rounds 7 & 8 his opponents are afraid to throw and often busted up. How often does that happen with Floyd at this weight?

You think that Floyd's counter punching is pretty and slick. I dont give a shit that don't mean shit. Manny's is more effective and it is clearly more effective even to the dumbest of posers that is all that matters.
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Old 08-08-2011, 04:47 PM   #1040
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You need to be versitile in order to adapt, Genius...
A defensive fighter slightly adapts his defense. That is not versatility.
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Old 08-08-2011, 04:49 PM   #1041
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His counter punching is clearly more effective. By rounds 7 & 8 his opponents are afraid to throw and often busted up. How often does that happen with Floyd at this weight?
I could see Pac being more effective. Floyd is a natural counter puncher, but Pac's countering seems to discourage his opponents just as much, if not more.
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Old 08-08-2011, 04:57 PM   #1042
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I could see Pac being more effective. Floyd is a natural counter puncher, but Pac's countering seems to discourage his opponents just as much, if not more.
Its not even a question of if not. Its a lot more. Stats donít lie. Manny has knocked down, busted up, and shut down more real welterweights with his counter punching than Floyd has.
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Old 08-08-2011, 05:03 PM   #1043
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Its not even a question of if not. Its a lot more. Stats donít lie. Manny has knocked down, busted up, and shut down more real welterweights with his counter punching than Floyd has.
Well, can't say that is all due to his counterpunching. But he is beating them up badly, and worse then what Floyd does.
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Old 08-08-2011, 05:05 PM   #1044
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This vid is good to see just how much counter punching Manny does.


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfbbUhIH1a4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfbbUhIH1a4[/ame]

You will see that much of his punching is actually counter punching. But unlike Floyd and other "slick" boxers he counters in bunches and then presses the advantage. What most of the posers mistake for offense is actually counter punching followed by offense.
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Old 08-08-2011, 05:30 PM   #1045
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Obviously Pacquiao. He has won, lost and drawn. Mayweather has only won. One-dimensional.
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Old 08-08-2011, 05:38 PM   #1046
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A defensive fighter slightly adapts his defense. That is not versatility.
Floyd is a defensive fighter, but his offense is better than Pacquiao's. The only advantages Pacquiao holds over Floyd is punch output and power.

Floyd is way more the accurate puncher because he is versitile and can adpat to his oppponent's style. Floyd can exploit his opponents mistakes and create offense.

Pacquiao, OTOH, only knows one way to fight. Throw him some movement, like JMM is gonna do, and you can make him look ordinary.
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Old 08-08-2011, 05:41 PM   #1047
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Its not even a question of if not. Its a lot more. Stats donít lie. Manny has knocked down, busted up, and shut down more real welterweights with his counter punching than Floyd has.
Who has Manny knocked down @ 147lbs?
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Old 08-08-2011, 05:48 PM   #1048
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Who has Manny knocked down @ 147lbs?
Shane. And stopped Cotto.
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Old 08-08-2011, 05:58 PM   #1049
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Long time ago. The only versatility Floyd has shown is when fighting much smaller fighters. People keep confusing adaptation to versatility. Floyd is a defensive fighter. He adapts his defense to take away what his opponent is doing. That does not equal versatility. He is still a defensive counter puncher.
I asked a question. Where was the versatility against Marquez and Morales?

Let me help you guys out. If I'm not mistaken, versatility means being able to do many things at a good/capable to high level.

Ways Floyd can fight/beat you

Floyd can box you
Floyd can go toe to toe
Floyd can go southpaw at times.
Floyd can win just using the jab.
Floyd can fight/counter you off the ropes
Floyd can fight center ring
Floyd can change his game plan when he's losing ala Judah, Dlh, and Shane
Floyd can adapt to any fighters style
Floyd can make you miss
Floyds can change his style up going from countering to being the aggressor
Floyd can fight going backwards

These are off the top outlooks throughout his whole career

These are all things Floyd does better than the average fighter/champion, and he's more than capable of winning any fight any way. Floyd does what he has to do to win. Wait, he's undefeated. If you think he only fought one way and won all if his fights say, I

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Old 08-08-2011, 06:05 PM   #1050
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A defensive fighter slightly adapts his defense. That is not versatility.
Defensive fighter You make it seem like that's a slight lmao. Floyd is a very capable offensive fighter. He's so capable that he's undefeated knuckleup. The epitome of hit and don't get hit.
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