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Old 08-09-2011, 12:00 PM   #1111
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Floyd's opponents get afraid to throw also.
Manny busts up his opponents more because he has more power and punches more, not because he's a better counter puncher. Come on man
Power isn't a factor in counter punching? The greatest counter puncher ever was Joe Louis. Why? Because he hit like a ****ing truck! You retards who think that power plays no factor and its all about how the punches look are ****ing morons. Its not just about being slick.

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yeah Manny can counter Margarito over and over because Margarito gives him a lot of opportunities and leaves a lot of openings. He throw around 800-900 punches.
Compare that to Chavez who averaged 100 punches per round.

I already addressed this in another thread. Manny is an aggressive counter puncher. He has power so he is looking to force his opponent into a fight, which will give him more opportunities to hurt his opponent with counters. Floyd doesn't have power so he looks to land a few good potshots and win the round.
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Old 08-09-2011, 12:13 PM   #1112
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This vid is good to see just how much counter punching Manny does.


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You will see that much of his punching is actually counter punching. But unlike Floyd and other "slick" boxers he counters in bunches and then presses the advantage. What most of the posers mistake for offense is actually counter punching followed by offense.
Posting a Margo video as evidendce of counter-punching as if that means something. Margo is wide open and is a counter-puncher's wet dream.
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Old 08-09-2011, 12:24 PM   #1113
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Because we are not talking about the last few fights of both guys like some are saying. Were talking versatility throughout their entire careers.
Says who? This thread was started by a coward who didn't have the balls to argue with me in another thread so he came here with my quotes and started a poll without a single comment. I have always been talking about the present and recent past both in this thread and the previous thread. Since its my quote that started this poll I know more than anyone what the **** we are talking about and it isn't throughout their entire careers.
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Old 08-09-2011, 12:28 PM   #1114
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depends on what the definition of is is.
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Old 08-09-2011, 12:33 PM   #1115
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Manny is easily my favorite fighter in the game today, but I definitely think Floyd is more versatile. Floyd is a genius at changing momentum in a fight. Manny is much better at that than some give him credit for, as he usually puts people into their place when they get too much steam on him, but Floyd usually has more options because he is so intelligent in the ring.

Again, Manny's my favorite fighter and I badly want to see him shut Floyd up and knock him out, but I don't predict fights with my heart, I use my head. It's an even fight where I feel Floyd is a bit of a favorite. I think they have opposite strengths and can easily envision scenarios where Floyd's defense and timing are too sharp, he withstands some early tough rounds en route to a late round stoppage or UD. I can also envision a fight where Floyd's limited output lead to his demise, as despite his tremendous defense, there will be too much offense to defend everything. But by but he gets broken down, then stopped late.

They both have a real shot at winning the fight, despite the fact one fighter is my favorite, and dislike the other.
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Old 08-09-2011, 12:43 PM   #1116
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Which stats?

Please cite them...
You live up to your name.

Floyd v. Oscar 57%
Floyd v. Hatton 39%
Floyd v JMM 59%
Floyd v. Mosely 46%

Manny v. Oscar 59%
Manny v. Hatton 62%
Manny v. Cotto 49%
Manny v. Clottey 34%
Manny v. Margarito 58%
Manny v. Mosely 50%
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:02 PM   #1117
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Power isn't a factor in counter punching? The greatest counter puncher ever was Joe Louis. Why? Because he hit like a ****ing truck! You retards who think that power plays no factor and its all about how the punches look are ****ing morons. Its not just about being slick.



I already addressed this in another thread. Manny is an aggressive counter puncher. He has power so he is looking to force his opponent into a fight, which will give him more opportunities to hurt his opponent with counters. Floyd doesn't have power so he looks to land a few good potshots and win the round.
Why do I try. You're the same guy that thinks Manny Pacquiao is a better counter puncher than Pernell Witaker
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:49 PM   #1118
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Why do I try. You're the same guy that thinks Manny Pacquiao is a better counter puncher than Pernell Witaker
More effective. Its not just about looks.
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:55 PM   #1119
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a versatile fighter doesn't get KO'd twice by nobodies in their career....
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Old 08-09-2011, 02:02 PM   #1120
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ok Leon.

Gayweather made Mosley useless by throwing a punch that made Gayweather cling to Mosley like a bitch.
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Old 08-09-2011, 02:16 PM   #1121
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More effective. Its not just about looks.
Pernell is better because he can counter more punches and do it more often.

Like I said, a guy who counters every single one of your punches and wins a 12 round decision is better than

A guy who counters only one punch of yours in the 6th round, but knocks you out with it
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Old 08-09-2011, 02:18 PM   #1122
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Manny though much improved still seems like a one dimensional whirlwind fighter
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Old 08-09-2011, 02:21 PM   #1123
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Says who? This thread was started by a coward who didn't have the balls to argue with me in another thread so he came here with my quotes and started a poll without a single comment. I have always been talking about the present and recent past both in this thread and the previous thread. Since its my quote that started this poll I know more than anyone what the **** we are talking about and it isn't throughout their entire careers.
You're too stupid and ignorant to argue with. Who the hell cites wise ass quotes that they don't even understand?

Like I said your vaginal ass can't handle the fact that the majority isn't going with your individual humble opinion.
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Old 08-09-2011, 02:23 PM   #1124
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You're too stupid and ignorant to argue with. Who the hell cites wise ass quotes that they don't even understand?

Like I said your vaginal ass can't handle the fact that the majority isn't going with your individual humble opinion.
The guy thinks Manny is versatile, Floyd is one dimensional, and Pernell Witaker isn't a great counter puncher
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Old 08-09-2011, 02:24 PM   #1125
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Hold up, didnt somebody say that Pac was a better counter puncher than Sweet Pea????

So for you to be the better counter puncher, you must be a hard puncher??? Am I reading this bullshit correctly???
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