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Old 09-03-2010, 02:13 PM   #46
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Yoga practitioners are flexible and strong as ****.
Have you ever punched one in the face? Not trying to make a point just asking.
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:41 PM   #47
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Have you ever punched one in the face? Not trying to make a point just asking.
No, have you?

What kind of training do floor gymnasts do? They're fast, powerful as **** and flexible.

Do people think it's a coincidence naz could somersault the top rope and had devastating power?
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:42 PM   #48
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How did you work that out?
Can you do this?

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Old 09-03-2010, 02:49 PM   #49
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No, have you?
Unfortunately not. They always seem so happy, I wonder what they look like when you punch the happy off their faces. Kaplow. Let's see you greet the sun now homie.

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Interestingly, Ray Leonard who was fast and could generate power, before Boxing was a Gymnast.
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:59 PM   #51
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Interestingly, Ray Leonard who was fast and could generate power, before Boxing was a Gymnast.
Yep. That's why I started my son doing gymnastics at the age of 3. As basic physical training it's the best there is.

Watch a gymnastics competition. The competitors even at local level have outrageous flexibility, static power, dynamic power, strength, speed and endurance.

Every sport can learn something from gymnastics. You want to know how to train the legs to generate explosive power? Ask a gymnastics coach.
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No. But that's nothing special. Some bodyweight exercises are impressive to watch, but it's still only bodyweight. To me "strong as ****" as you put it, is throwing around twice your bodyweight or more. Look at the guy, he's balancing on his elbows, you could have picked a better example. I'll help you, crucifix hold = impressive.

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Old 09-03-2010, 03:19 PM   #53
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No. But that's nothing special. Some bodyweight exercises are impressive to watch, but it's still only bodyweight. To me "strong as ****" as you put it, is throwing around twice your bodyweight or more. Look at the guy, he's balancing on his elbows, you could have picked a better example. I'll help you, crucifix hold = impressive.
I don't need any help

Fair does, that guy is resting on his elbows. You obviously don't appreciate the display of core strength though.

Your 'throwing around twice your bodyweight' argument shows your ignorance. I've seen decent level gymnasts, who more or less only do bodyweight exercises completely own 'athletes' who pump shitloads of iron for strength.

The crucifix hold is impressive. If you get a raw boxer who can do this though, you've potentially got a winner:
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I don't need any help

Fair does, that guy is resting on his elbows. You obviously don't appreciate the display of core strength though.

Your 'throwing around twice your bodyweight' argument shows your ignorance. I've seen decent level gymnasts, who more or less only do bodyweight exercises completely own 'athletes' who pump shitloads of iron for strength.

The crucifix hold is impressive. If you get a raw boxer who can do this though, you've potentially got a winner:
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Really? I've never seen a gymnast out-squat a power lifter . Look, you said Yoga practitioners are "strong as ****" to me they aren't. Gymnasts have very impressive strength, not taking that away from them, but the stuff they do compared to a 1000lbs squat isn't very impressive to me when we're talking raw strength.

You think the ability to do a backflip = a potential champion boxer?
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Really? I've never seen a gymnast out-squat a power lifter . Look, you said Yoga practitioners are "strong as ****" to me they aren't. Gymnasts have very impressive strength, not taking that away from them, but the stuff they do compared to a 1000lbs squat isn't very impressive to me when we're talking raw strength.

You think the ability to do a backflip = a potential champion boxer?
I think we're at cross purposes here.

When I say 'strong as ****' I mean in an athletic context. They are capable of lifting heavy but crucially they've also got excellent co-ordination. Who gives a fcuk if anyone can squat 500 kg, it's how you use it and what you can do with it that really counts. At least in the context of developing a powerful punch.

With regards to the backflip you have to look at the motion, and the biomechanics. The way the force is transferred from the toes up through the legs, hips and torso. And again, crucially, how the muscles and movement co-ordinate, how the movement is controlled and the balance on landing. Biomechenically a somersaault and a punch aren't THAT different.

Take an 11 year old who can land a backflip on a beam and give him some quality boxing coaching and he'll be knocking muther****ers out all over the place in no time.
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I agree completely
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Old 09-03-2010, 10:16 PM   #57
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Take an 11 year old who can land a backflip on a beam and give him some quality boxing coaching and he'll be knocking muther****ers out all over the place in no time.[/quote]

Spot on. So much of this as you said is the coordination of movement, muscles, balance, etc. Remember, boxing is speed-strength, much like certain gymnastics movements. Squatting 1000lbs is absolute strength. Huge difference.
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i am loving this thread. so much fascinating knowledge here.

a mate of mine works in the spiorts science dept in sheffield. which uni is it you have links with scrap?

ps read great things about you in looking for a fight and this bloody mary is the last thing i own. both good books, specially looking for a fight.
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:03 PM   #59
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Funnily enougth, Sheffield Hallam, whats your mate Do there.
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Old 09-04-2010, 01:20 PM   #60
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is there only 1 uni in sheffield? thought there was 2?

not 100% sure, something in sports science. you may well know him, david b?
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