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View Poll Results: Who wins?
Zoo by KO/TKO 45 36.29%
Zoo by Decision 0 0%
Pac by KO/TKO 57 45.97%
Pac by Decision 9 7.26%
Draw 0 0%
Unsure 13 10.48%
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Old 09-01-2010, 09:22 PM   #31
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Remember dont judge zoo by his last fight with hatton where he was wrestled into submission and was old.

Prime zoo was a beast when it came to conditioning, his conditioning was legendary, he threw a lot of punches when he was in his prime with tremendous accuracy.

Also as has been pointed out Zoo was a master with his timing. Id venture to say when Zoo fought Zab that Zab was faster then Pac ever has been.

1. Zoo has better power
2. Awesome straight right hand, best weapon vs pac
3. Better Balance and timing

Im not saying pac cant win this fight on volume punching. But from a styles standpoint I see Zoo too much here for pac.

Few fighters prepared for fights with the intensity and attention to detail Kostya Tszyu did.

But he just did not have natural stamina...I think it could have been also he was moulded into such an efficient 4 round machine for his am days that he still used a lot of those training techniques.

Either way his tendency to gas is well documented and happened in fights where the pace would have been no where near as brisk as it would be for this one.

His workrate in terms of punches thrown was never something that stuck out to me..though he was always working, prodding for gaps and pressuring..He was generally more of a patient stalker, even when finishing he was pretty relaxed.
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Old 09-02-2010, 01:25 AM   #32
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Clottey found Pacquiao with near enough every right hand he threw...whats saying Tszyu couldn't?

And no...Tszyu wasn't prime when Hatton beat him.

Like I said, I'd favour Pacquiao slightly...but these posts are crazy...
Clottey and Tszyu are 2 diffrent animals.

Pac has to open up on Clottey and took many risks so he can have an opening, and also knowing that Clottey does not hit so hard.

And I say this. Clottey is a more difficult fight for Pac than Tszyu. Clottey is bigger, and way better defense - he made Pac look bad in that fight.
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Old 09-02-2010, 01:40 AM   #33
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tszyu is not fast on his feet so i guess pac will somehow tko him in the later rounds. pac has chin so i dont think tszyu will knock pac out. also, tszyu is not a counterpuncher.
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Old 09-02-2010, 04:27 AM   #34
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Clottey and Tszyu are 2 diffrent animals.

Pac has to open up on Clottey and took many risks so he can have an opening, and also knowing that Clottey does not hit so hard.

And I say this. Clottey is a more difficult fight for Pac than Tszyu. Clottey is bigger, and way better defense - he made Pac look bad in that fight.
I know Clottey and Tszyu aren't similar at all...but my comparison was the right hand. Pacquiao isn't hard to hit with the right hand at all...and if Tszyu can hit him, he can hurt him. And I know Pacquiao has a great chin, but if you can be hit...you can be hurt, and Tszyu had a great straight right.
His timing would have to be spot on if he were up against Pacquiao though.

Pacquiao did open up against Clottey to try to persuade Clottey to drop his defense and trade. But, not every right hand Pacquiao was caught with was when Pacquiao was employing this tactic. Anyone with a good straight right, combined with good timing can catch Pacquiao with it.
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Old 09-02-2010, 04:29 AM   #35
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PAC TKO1 Zoo
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Old 09-02-2010, 05:49 AM   #36
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Manny would be too fast for Tsyzu.
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Old 09-02-2010, 05:54 AM   #37
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Kostya by stoppage.
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Old 09-02-2010, 06:25 AM   #38
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I'm curious as to when Tszyu's chin became suspect?

He spent his career walking through big punches to give his own ... and Phillips aside (who landed a brutal hail mary to stop Tszyu on the feet ... not any different to Castillo who was in a worse way than Tszyu) ... Doesn't Tszyu have as good or better chin than Manny and hits harder?

Stamina could definitely prove a problem but Morales and Clottey hit Manny alot with the right and boxing smartly, JMM controlled the pace ... something I think Tszyu was good at too if in a different way. Manny is hittable and that spells trouble versus Kostya.
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Old 09-02-2010, 07:18 AM   #39
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i love to ram little school boys in the bum can any1 sort me out?
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Old 09-02-2010, 07:21 AM   #40
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Pac has a puncher's chance.
its the other way around
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Old 09-02-2010, 07:33 AM   #41
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Tszyu is slow and robotic. He wouldn't find Pac with his right hand.

I see Pac bloodying KT and the ref sees enough by 9th round.
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Old 09-02-2010, 07:37 AM   #42
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I know Clottey and Tszyu aren't similar at all...but my comparison was the right hand. Pacquiao isn't hard to hit with the right hand at all...and if Tszyu can hit him, he can hurt him. And I know Pacquiao has a great chin, but if you can be hit...you can be hurt, and Tszyu had a great straight right.
His timing would have to be spot on if he were up against Pacquiao though.

Pacquiao did open up against Clottey to try to persuade Clottey to drop his defense and trade. But, not every right hand Pacquiao was caught with was when Pacquiao was employing this tactic. Anyone with a good straight right, combined with good timing can catch Pacquiao with it.
wtf are you doing; patsy is ****ing clueless, ignore his dumbass.
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Kostya had more than just good timing; his technique although a little different to what's taught in the US was masterful.
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Old 09-02-2010, 07:45 AM   #45
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wtf are you doing; patsy is ****ing clueless, ignore his dumbass.
Thats probably sound advice.
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