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Old 10-30-2007, 02:38 PM   #31
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Damn Right p4p #2.. Fighter of the Year 2006 ....Oh wait those are facts it doesnt count. Nothing that can be done...Its a losing battle for all you guys...wait for PAC to lose..

then you'll have your say...

But truthfully, I'm not a big PAC fan as I was...I have a couple of new faves that'll surpass PACs accomplishment in a couple of years or so
Chimba, I place an internet order for 200$ of those martini cupcakes and they never arrived.
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:38 PM   #32
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**** NO

manny won, but i bet you had it 120-108 going into the fight already....
Like I said 10 rounds to 2 with Larios getting knocked on his ass twice

118-108.

But if you think that's a neck and neck fight thats cool man lets just say we have a different definition of a close fight.
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:44 PM   #33
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fellaz,
dont get me wrong...i like manny, his stlye is awesome and entertaining....i just dont understand why his fans simply scratch everybody off the list as if they're nothing at all.....
Wha???? Im not scratching JMM, especially Juan D. I say the JMM fight is 60-40 Pac now because JMM have slowed a bit. Back 2 years then its a pick em...Id even give the edge to Jmm just because hes a style nightmare for Pac.... Diaz is pick em fight..with Diaz slight advantage.

What I dont like is that people not recognizing that PACs move from 122...I mean he dismantled that division..fought there a while...they asked him to step up for the money fights and he did...first fight??? MAB!!!..the best!!! of 126...Next fight ??? JMM...hahaha..its crazy!!

Now I hear that Rafa and Israel can hold a candle to PAC???? just because Larios lasted the distance (disregarding style factor whatsoever) Why dont these guys be asked to fight Juan Diaz Only PAC is held to this standard...Ask Israel if he can take PAC...they spar all the time...never a word for Israel who I love..

Again..lest we forget 122 ..all KO's...he was impossible to handle... first fight at 126...MAB!!! beat him like no one ever have...

Thats why PAC is good and highly regarded

Im not even going to mention the lineal title at FLY...
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:46 PM   #34
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Chimba, I place an internet order for 200$ of those martini cupcakes and they never arrived.
I'll include that in the bet with Juan! how bout that ???..

I just want weekly praise for PAC...just like Sunday Mass...a whole Homily devoted to my boy!!!
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:59 PM   #35
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I'll include that in the bet with Juan! how bout that ???..
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:03 PM   #36
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Manny Pacqiuao = The Mexican destroyer!!
oh great..the man that only watches floyd fights.....


fool, YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT BOXING....
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:11 PM   #37
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oh great..the man that only watches floyd fights.....


fool, YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT BOXING....
Why are you so concerned about Manny fighting Marquez again?

Wouldn't you rather him fight Diaz instead?

Who do you think has a better chance?

Besides, while Marquez will make adjustements against Pac, Pac will do the same against Marquez.

They've seen eachother.

Diaz is the bigger threat.

And I'm talking about Juan here, not David.

Marquez had his chance anyway. And while it could be bullshit, I read in the Ring the other day that Manny and Marquez would have made 750k a piece.

Instead Marquez chose to fight Chris John for what? 25K I think it was?
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Of course I respect Pacman but I just don't think too highly of his skills. Not only pacman, but Im not into any one dimensional fighters.. it disgusts me. Actually bro, the only time i counted pacman out was in the first Barrera fight and the first Morales fight. Other than that, ive never counted him out because all those were gimmie fights in a way against fringe contenders and washed up legends. BArrera 1 was his only real victory in my eyes..

But yea, I guess he belongs in the same breath as Barrera and Tapia..

BTW nobody knows what would happen between Rafael and Pac at 122 but pacman getting ended isn't out of the question... Same thing to happen to rafael though..
Not many are in awe over the skill Pacman has. It's his other outstanding natural gifts that cuase people and fans to take note. Pac is no longer a one demensional fighter. He's an unorthodox fighter with a lot of layers. He has a full arsenal of punches that he uses constantly. He's just lacks the overall boxing skills that most elite level boxers have. I respect your opinion that you feel PAC's only real win was against MAB the first time out, but I respectfully and emphatically disagree.

Any fighter out there today can be viewed under the microscope and be taken apart in terms of how valid or how much merit their wins should get. It happens to the very best...thats why everyone claims Floyd hasn't beaten anyone of note, they said the same thing about DLH, Bhop, Roy Jones, Joe C......Well Joe really hasn't faught anyone ...but you get the point. Rafa is a great fighter but I think his brother is the better of the two...not by much but I think he is a better overall fighter. Rafa just has more fire.
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:23 PM   #39
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you guys think manny is bigger, stronger and better......

he went neck and neck with larios

was losing vs solis

and avoided barrera all night
You are kidding right Fred?
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fellaz,
dont get me wrong...i like manny, his stlye is awesome and entertaining....i just dont understand why his fans simply scratch everybody off the list as if they're nothing at all.....
You gotta understand that EVERY fighter that is GOOD has their cheerleaders. There are many that feel PAC is the best boxer in the world next to Floyd and some say he's above floyd. Fanatics/Huggers think and say the craziest things...like PAC can destroy everyone! YOu can't take that shit seriously! the ones who say shit like that would be on PAC to beat King Kong.

Pac's a great fighter and he is dominating his division. He's had touch fights though and everyone has them. But overall PAC has been extremely impressive and there is little question to whom the best 130 fighter in the world is.
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:39 PM   #41
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Why are you so concerned about Manny fighting Marquez again?

Wouldn't you rather him fight Diaz instead?

Who do you think has a better chance?

Besides, while Marquez will make adjustements against Pac, Pac will do the same against Marquez.

They've seen eachother.

Diaz is the bigger threat.

And I'm talking about Juan here, not David.

Marquez had his chance anyway. And while it could be bullshit, I read in the Ring the other day that Manny and Marquez would have made 750k a piece.

Instead Marquez chose to fight Chris John for what? 25K I think it was?

cause i think that the baby bull will smash on manny....and i'd rather see juan whoop on david and then el cepillo
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:43 PM   #42
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How can you say he's dominating the division when he's had close fights with former 122lbs larios, solis, and an old Barrera?

When is the last time he dominated a fresh fighter?
close fights??!! 10-2, KO8, 10-2
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cause i think that the baby bull will smash on manny....and i'd rather see juan whoop on david and then el cepillo
I don't know. You might be underestimating Pac's heart.

Dude represents an entire country.

He doesn't even have the discipline to stay in Cali to train for fights.

He can't get enough of those girls over there. And you know how it is when you get washed up. Nobody gives a **** about your anymore.

I don't think he's willing to give that up.

Diaz will probably beat him, but I don't think Manny will quit.

I think it will be competitive.
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I don't know. You might be underestimating Pac's heart.

Dude represents an entire country.

He doesn't even have the discipline to stay in Cali to train for fights.

He can't get enough of those girls over there. And you know how it is when you get washed up. Nobody gives a **** about your anymore.

I don't think he's willing to give that up.

Diaz will probably beat him, but I don't think Manny will quit.

I think it will be competitive.
yep. quit is definitely not in pac's vocabulary. baby bull has the advantage of being the natural bigger guy but pac has the power and speed advantage as well as "heart". baby bull may be favoured but pac is certainly no pushover. the guy after all is a top 2 elite p4p fighter, a 3-division and a 2-time lineal champ, as well as the consensus 2006 fighter of the year.
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How can you say he's dominating the division when he's had close fights with former 122lbs larios, solis, and an old Barrera?

When is the last time he dominated a fresh fighter?
Sorry but none of those were close fights in my opinion. A close fight is JMM vs MAB......or Wright vs Taylor. Pac KO'd Solis and KO'd Larios and PAC also started out lower than 122. He just moved up in weight to get $$ fights. Its not like PAC is SO BIG that he has the physical advantage over everyone he knocks out....He has a speed and power advantage which keeps him on top. Solis IMO was a fresh undefeated fighter and young....but that wasn't a more impressive win than the 2nd MAB fight b/c no matter if you think MAB is old, worn out ect, ect, ect...he still beats the shit out of most of the current top 10. That includes guys like Joan and Valero at this stage in their careers.
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