Joe Frazier vs. Wladimir Klitschko - Page 4

brownshell · 09-13-2010, 01:42 PM

Idiot, the only time Frazier did not have chin was vs. Foreman. The Klit's don't hit as hard as Foreman. Frazier would be able to slip and slide many of the slow ass Klit's attack and find his hooks to the body and eventaully the chin. Goodnight Klit! Either Klit.

Seamus · 09-13-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by brownshell

Idiot, the only time Frazier did not have chin was vs. Foreman. The Klit's don't hit as hard as Foreman. Frazier would be able to slip and slide many of the slow ass Klit's attack and find his hooks to the body and eventaully the chin. Goodnight Klit! Either Klit.

Over 4 or more rounds, Wlad has a better offense than George. The sustained punishment he delivers is severe. Please to note the many opponents whose careers nosedived after facing him as they were broken for top level fighting. He delivers long, sustained beatings. You have to derail his game plan to derail this inevitability. I see Frazier being able to do this in the early moments when Wlad tries to clinch. With Fraziers upper body mobility and quick hooks hecould seriously derail the one-two clinch program of Waldo.

The Mongoose · 09-13-2010, 02:01 PM

I don't like Frazier against Wlad or Lewis, both are accurate big men who hit hard enough to hurt him and his lack of physical power would mean they could push him around or clinch him to death.

Frazier frustrated by Ali's hit and hold strategy in their second bout.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzhcpM2rDjk&feature=related[/ame]

Frazier's hard night against Bugner (and a great video as well)

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxazy9pwlzg[/ame]

I would take Frazier over Vitali however, his questionable punching power would let Joe go to work in a long brutal fight.

MRBILL · 09-13-2010, 02:38 PM

Frazier of '71 gets clipped by Wlad Klit of '10........... And remember, Frazier is only 27 yrs old, while Wlad Klit is 34.... Age not a factor here.... NO! Wlad Klit smokes Frazier like a Thai stick.... Hardcore.........

MR.BILL

itrymariti · 09-13-2010, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

Wlad knocks him out, he'd land the jab and right and Frazier isn't taking that many of those right hands

Right, because he has a proven history of standing in there and punching against pressure fighters, timing fast head movement etc.

tommygun711 · 09-13-2010, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by reznick

Wlad doesnt have the balance and power required to hang with joe

don't agree. wlad has excellent one punch power in each hand. he wouldve been the second hardest puncher Joe faced.

itrymariti · 09-13-2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mendoza

LOL. Say the guy who saw Frazier's corner stop it for him on his own stool without a torn shoulder.

So voluntarily quitting, against a cream puff with little power, with the fight won, when you're in no danger whatsoever, simply because "it hurts too much" - that demonstrates more heart than being pulled out, against your will, against the GOAT, whilst practically blind and risking being beaten to death?

Yeah, glad the myth of Frazier's heart has been well and truly laid out here. What a pussy the man was.

McGrain · 09-13-2010, 03:08 PM

Frazier should win.

Minotauro · 09-13-2010, 03:24 PM

Frazier applies too much pressure, the pace he would set would have Wlad gassed in 6 and eventually stop Wlad in 9.

Minotauro · 09-13-2010, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mendoza

LOL. Say the guy who saw Frazier's corner stop it for him on his own stool without a torn shoulder.

Are you tryng to say Vitali has more heart the Frazier.

The only thing that could top that is someone claiming Ezzrad Charles was a brawler.

PetethePrince · 09-13-2010, 07:56 PM

Frazier by systematic destruction.

If Peter can look like Frazier against Wlad it shows Wlad telegraphs and can become quite predictable. Wlad can definitely hurt and seriously trouble Frazier but Wlad doesn't like to site down on his punches when fighters are rushing at him. He seems to choice speed and not to string combinations in order to avoid getting countered or hit. Frazier would not only bust Wlad to the body and bang hooks upstairs while rushing forward but he could also counter the hell out of Wlad's right hand. The only way Wlad would win if this was set in 2010 in Germany, and even that's not guaranteed. Any other place and time with Arthur Mercante or some renown referee that wouldn't allow Wlad to turn octopus and Frazier would win. Absolutely... last fight just confirmed that with me. In fact, I think Toledo Dempsey has a fairly good chance too after the last Wlad fight I watched.

Boxed Ears · 09-13-2010, 08:45 PM

I like how you cannot do a H2H thread for either Klitschko without someone coming in and acting like you asked about both. Inevitably someone says blah blah blah "the Klits"... They are not the same fighter. They don't even act like the same fighter. They don't have the skill set or body of work or approach.

ironchamp · 09-13-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mendoza

Frazier did not have Peter's chin, and essentially was a one punch type of fighter who was much smaller and lacked range. Wlad is a master at keeping optimal range.

While I would give Frazier's a very good puncher's chance, he was too easy to hit, and did not have a good enough chin to hold up to power punchers.

Don't think for a moment that Wlad could not man handle Frazier in a clinch. He sure would.

Wlad TKO.

I'm interested in seeing it from a styles perspective.

Do you think that Frazier has the style to beat Wlad but simply lacks the durability?

Or do you think that Wlad's style is all wrong for "Frazier Type" fighters.

sugarsean · 09-13-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mendoza

Frazier did not have Peter's chin, and essentially was a one punch type of fighter who was much smaller and lacked range. Wlad is a master at keeping optimal range.

Your right Frazier did'nt have Peters chin, he had a better one

(and don't even try to use the Foreman fight as an example to suggest otherwise because that was the hardest punching baddest motherfucker ever steamrolling ahead throwing everything with the intention to destroy the man, not a counter punching hard hitter taking his time waiting for the right moment, while using long periods of clinches to rest and slow the pace)

How is Frazier a one punch type fighter,

When he threw an average of 60 - 80 punches, with left and right hooks constanly to the body, jabbing on the way inside, while using his great left hook usualy followed by a short overhand right.

Lacked range?

It did'nt stop him from cornering and trapping every slickster he fought and force them to fight off the ropes for sustained periods of the fight.

cuchulain · 09-14-2010, 01:24 AM

Wlad and Frazier would be interesting.

I would give Wlad a good chance as he would probably be stronger than Frazier and could very well tie him up on the inside, and work his jab at distance. Much would depend on how well Wlad could deal with the pressure, and how mentally strong he was on the night.

Vitali is another story altogether. Very similar result to Frazier Foreman. With Frazier's come forward style, I think Vitali puts him away inside 6.

09-13-2010, 01:42 PM	#46
brownshell Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 382 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Frazier vs. Wladimir Klitschko Idiot, the only time Frazier did not have chin was vs. Foreman. The Klit's don't hit as hard as Foreman. Frazier would be able to slip and slide many of the slow ass Klit's attack and find his hooks to the body and eventaully the chin. Goodnight Klit! Either Klit.
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09-13-2010, 02:01 PM	#48
The Mongoose THROW SOME THUNDAAAH!!!! East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Washington D.C. Posts: 5,273 vCash: 75	Re: Joe Frazier vs. Wladimir Klitschko I don't like Frazier against Wlad or Lewis, both are accurate big men who hit hard enough to hurt him and his lack of physical power would mean they could push him around or clinch him to death. Frazier frustrated by Ali's hit and hold strategy in their second bout. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzhcpM2rDjk&feature=related[/ame] Frazier's hard night against Bugner (and a great video as well) [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxazy9pwlzg[/ame] I would take Frazier over Vitali however, his questionable punching power would let Joe go to work in a long brutal fight.
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09-13-2010, 02:38 PM	#49
MRBILL P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 17,249 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Frazier vs. Wladimir Klitschko Frazier of '71 gets clipped by Wlad Klit of '10........... And remember, Frazier is only 27 yrs old, while Wlad Klit is 34.... Age not a factor here.... NO! Wlad Klit smokes Frazier like a Thai stick.... Hardcore......... MR.BILL
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McGrain Diamond Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 63,253 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Frazier vs. Wladimir Klitschko Frazier should win.
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Minotauro Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2007 Location: London Posts: 2,886 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Frazier vs. Wladimir Klitschko Frazier applies too much pressure, the pace he would set would have Wlad gassed in 6 and eventually stop Wlad in 9.
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09-13-2010, 07:56 PM	#56
PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded East Side VIP Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 15,227 vCash: 1200	Re: Joe Frazier vs. Wladimir Klitschko Frazier by systematic destruction. If Peter can look like Frazier against Wlad it shows Wlad telegraphs and can become quite predictable. Wlad can definitely hurt and seriously trouble Frazier but Wlad doesn't like to site down on his punches when fighters are rushing at him. He seems to choice speed and not to string combinations in order to avoid getting countered or hit. Frazier would not only bust Wlad to the body and bang hooks upstairs while rushing forward but he could also counter the hell out of Wlad's right hand. The only way Wlad would win if this was set in 2010 in Germany, and even that's not guaranteed. Any other place and time with Arthur Mercante or some renown referee that wouldn't allow Wlad to turn octopus and Frazier would win. Absolutely... last fight just confirmed that with me. In fact, I think Toledo Dempsey has a fairly good chance too after the last Wlad fight I watched.
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09-13-2010, 08:45 PM	#57
Boxed Ears Lowering Post Count East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Brunoilia, Hehsland Posts: 51,289 vCash: 7500	Re: Joe Frazier vs. Wladimir Klitschko I like how you cannot do a H2H thread for either Klitschko without someone coming in and acting like you asked about both. Inevitably someone says blah blah blah "the Klits"... They are not the same fighter. They don't even act like the same fighter. They don't have the skill set or body of work or approach.
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09-14-2010, 01:24 AM	#60
cuchulain P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Muirthemne Posts: 18,828 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Frazier vs. Wladimir Klitschko Wlad and Frazier would be interesting. I would give Wlad a good chance as he would probably be stronger than Frazier and could very well tie him up on the inside, and work his jab at distance. Much would depend on how well Wlad could deal with the pressure, and how mentally strong he was on the night. Vitali is another story altogether. Very similar result to Frazier Foreman. With Frazier's come forward style, I think Vitali puts him away inside 6.
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