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View Poll Results: A prime Duke vs. a post-Manila Ali
Morrison by KO/TKO 18 14.17%
Morrison by decision 1 0.79%
Draw 1 0.79%
Ali by KO/TKO 87 68.50%
Ali by decision 20 15.75%
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Old 07-01-2013, 03:18 AM   #91
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By Jerry Quarry isn't as good as Morrison period. Its funny how old school fighters get built up. Well at least some of them. Morrison was bigger and better than Quarry end of story. Sure Morrison was on roids but so was Holyfield and I heard Tyson was on something too.

Quarry was a tough little guy with limited power. Morrison was a much bigger steroid addicted guy.

Ali chin was better in the 70's than 60s because he matured and put on more weight but he was still hurt by Frazier. You will say Frazier is alot better fighter than Morrison. Can you prove it ? They fought in 2 different era's. Those 190 pound fighters Frazier fought earlier in his career, Morrison couldn't beat?

Clearly Morrison was the harder puncher. Frazier was a break you down after round after round puncher. Morrison was a explosive puncher. Who was tougher? Clearly Frazier. Who was faster? Clearly Morrison. Frazier was a guy who had to come foward, Morrison could actually box moving away.

I actually hate Morrison's guys and I am a big Frazier fan. But it is what it is. If Frazier could hurt Ali then So could Morrison and if Ali wins it wouldn't be a easy fight.
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Old 07-01-2013, 05:02 AM   #92
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Vitali was hurt very badly against the worst version of Lennox Lewis
Holyfield took prime Lennox Lewis shots over and over
One shot from 40year old Foreman stunned Holyfield
Ali took a beating by a mean prime Foreman for 8rounds.

Lol Ali was dropped by a 185lb man ok you win. Lets just ignore everything else you've convinced me
Are you suggesting that the worst version of Lennox Lewis hits less hard than 185 lb runt Henry Cooper?
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:56 PM   #93
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Morrison said his normal bodyweight without steroids was about 185. So if he fought Quarry clean, he would give away about 15 pounds. The only men who ever lived who could give Jerry 15 pounds and win were Marciano, Dempsey, and maybe Langford. Quarry beat huge Ron Lyle and power puncher Shavers so he would demolish a 185 Morrison.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:00 PM   #94
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Are you suggesting that the worst version of Lennox Lewis hits less hard than 185 lb runt Henry Cooper?
Are you some sort of genius..

Who said that?

Only thing I said is its stupid to say he was put down by a 185lb man when George Foreman couldn't even put him down..when a Old Foreman did that to Holy etc etc
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:08 PM   #95
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The point is Morrison was on steroids and weighed 220, If we going to bring up roids then count that against the Klitschkos and Holyfield too. And since Morrison was on roids and this thread doesn't say a clean Morrison vs Ali then Ali isn't blowing Morrison out. Since you pick a post Manilla Ali then Morrison stands a great chance to TKO Ali.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:05 AM   #96
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If Frazier could hurt Ali then So could Morrison and if Ali wins it wouldn't be a easy fight.
Yes Morrison could hurt just about anyone he hits with that lefthook{Except Ray Mercer}. No dispute there. At the same time it wouldnt take Ali more than a few rounds of peppering Tommy that he would give it up and find a reason to go down.

Frazier was much tougher than Tommy Morrision and he was able to break Ali down with power, precision and pressure and one helluva chin. Besides his chin Tommy Morrision had poor stamina.

No stamina + No chin= not much of a chance vs Ali.
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:22 AM   #97
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Are you suggesting that the worst version of Lennox Lewis hits less hard than 185 lb runt Henry Cooper?
You make an interesting point here.

185 lb Henry Cooper was able to drop and hurt Ali, while Foreman wasn’t.

The same Foreman was able to carry his power up against the heavyweights of the 90s when he was pushing 50.

Ali was able to stop Foreman and Jimmy Young was able to drop him, while the giants of the 90s couldn’t even hurt him when he was practically of pension age.

What does all this point to?
  • Technique and delivery are far more important than size and physical strength in terms of knocking an opponent out.
  • The big heavyweights of the 90s are simply not the destroyers that you assume them to be.
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:46 PM   #98
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I don't think the chin is gonna be an issue against Ali for Morrison. Tommy has never been decked by such an insignificant puncher as Ali. If Ali is gonna beat Morrison, it's gonna be by surviving and out-staminizing alone.
In reality you dont have to KO a guy with one or two big punches. In Ali`s case he peppered his opponents with combinations round after round. Ali did hit hard enough to buzz his oppponents.

Morrison`s chin would give it up after a few rounds. Carl "The Truth" Williams had Tommy Morrison on the canvas a couple of times.
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Old 07-21-2013, 06:43 PM   #99
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I'm not even sure Morrison would have beaten the 1981 Bahamas' version of Ali. LOL
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:07 PM   #100
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I'm not even sure Morrison would have beaten the 1981 Bahamas' version of Ali. LOL
That's just silly.

Morrison lost a mere 3 times. He had elite power, boxed well and could move a bit. A prime Ali could exploit his lack of stamina and rather low level ring intelligence. But post-Foreman, it gets real dicey.
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:22 PM   #101
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Morrison did not have the skills or durability to come close to beating someone like Ali circa 1975. The fighter who stopped Frazier would have destroyed the chinny Tommy inside of 6 rounds....Tommy was too easy to hit on that glass chin and Ali was hitting harder than he did in his career during that time.
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Old 07-22-2013, 12:43 AM   #102
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Morrison did not have the skills or durability to come close to beating someone like Ali circa 1975. The fighter who stopped Frazier would have destroyed the chinny Tommy inside of 6 rounds....Tommy was too easy to hit on that glass chin and Ali was hitting harder than he did in his career during that time.
Frazier was a shell at that point, absolutely shot, never to win a fight again.

I'm not saying I would bet on Morrison but he was a live body. Ali had reverted to laying on the ropes, cheating, clowning and playing it up to the refs. It would have been a stern test. Morrison was no more chinny than Shavers, a better boxer and probably hit just as hard... and Earnie gave Ali all he could handle.
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Old 07-22-2013, 02:26 AM   #103
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Ali would cut him to pieces then knock him out.

Morrison had a left hook ....but come on!

Mac Foster was a better fighter than Morrison... and so were a lot of others.
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Old 07-22-2013, 05:32 AM   #104
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I can't see the Duke doing much in this matchup, post Manila or not.
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:26 AM   #105
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A 60's Ali blows Morrison out of the water... A lvery lucky lefthook notwithstanding.

Morrison would still need luck with a latter 70's Ali, tho the closer to the Spinks fights the more Morrison could be favored.
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