P4P Top 10 Official Survey (Poll Closes October 27)

[itrymariti]

Originally Posted by manbearpig

If you have Duran top ten there is no logic in not having Ali in there.

Even more embarrassing stuff!

[manbearpig]

Originally Posted by itrymariti

Even more embarrassing stuff!

Talking utter, utter shite. Explain how Duran is better than Ali. He is in no way greater, doesn't have a better list of wins and doesn't look any better on film. He has the better single win, but that's it.

Silly fanboy. Ward is shite too.

[itrymariti]

Originally Posted by manbearpig

Talking utter, utter shite. Explain how Duran is better than Ali.

Didn't I already do that with Napoles only for you to run for the hills? No point schooling you again.

Originally Posted by manbearpig

He is in no way greater, doesn't have a better list of wins and doesn't look any better on film. He has the better single win, but that's it.

Silly fanboy. Ward is shite too.

[manbearpig]

Fanboy troll

[manbearpig]

Ali>Duran>>>>Napoles

Dick.

[Stonehands89]

Originally Posted by manbearpig

It's disgusting how underrated Ali is becoming.

For that reason;

1. Ali
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Harry Greb
5. Benny Leonard
6. Archie Moore
7. Sugar Ray Leonard
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Roberto Duran
10. Joe Louis

I would have Ali 5th, but I stand by 1st due to how poorly people are rating him.

Having Ali inside the top 15 but outside the top ten is not "underrating" him in the least. I'll go further, anyone who has Ali above Greb, Robinson, Armstrong, or Ezzard is either a neophyte, an ignoramus, or a fanboy. Take your pick.

The fact that ESB classic is resistant to the Ali-cult that has long-since taken over the USA adds to its credibility.

It will be interesting to see how Ali is regarded among boxing 'experts' after the baby-boomers die out. The chances are good that the myth and romance surrounding his name will fade away and we'll look at him with our eyes open.

[manbearpig]

5-10 is all reasonable for Ali in my opinion.

[Pachilles]

Originally Posted by Stonehands89

Having Ali inside the top 15 but outside the top ten is not "underrating" him in the least. I'll go further, anyone who has Ali above Greb, Robinson, Armstrong, or Ezzard is either a neophyte, an ignoramus, or a fanboy. Take your pick.

The fact that ESB classic is resistant to the Ali-cult that has long-since taken over the USA adds to its credibility.

It will be interesting to see how Ali is regarded among boxing 'experts' after the baby-boomers die out. The chances are good that the myth and romance surrounding his name will fade away and we'll look at him with our eyes open.

I've heard a rant like this before....

[Stonehands89]

Originally Posted by Pachilles

I've heard a rant like this before....

...and you'll keep hearing it until you grab his other leg and help me yank Ali out of the clouds.

[Stonehands89]

Originally Posted by manbearpig

5-10 is all reasonable for ali in my opinion.

12.

[manbearpig]

Duran is top ten lock though, eh.....

[Stonehands89]

Originally Posted by manbearpig

Duran is top ten lock though, eh.....

You got that right, bruthah. He's at #5.

[manbearpig]

Originally Posted by Stonehands89

You got that right, bruthah. He's at #5.

And what has he over Ali that is so massively superior that he is 7 places above him? Seriously.

[Stonehands89]

Originally Posted by manbearpig

And what has he over Ali that is so massively superior that he is 7 places above him? Seriously.

First of all, that's merely two spots more than you allow. What's the problem?

Secondly, keep in mind that there have been many great fighters over the past century. Ali had the benefit of an exploding international media, great personal magneticism, and a set of athletic gifts that are far more precious among big men than among the lower, better/more skilled weight classes where fast-twitch fibers are a dime-a-dozen.

That has to be digested before Ali-worshippers' ears can hear any further argument. Get him out of the clouds and remove that crown and scepter that the media, particularly baby-booming boxing writers have bequethed him. Look at him and his division in full context.

[manbearpig]

No answer. Predictable. There is no reason for having that large a gap between Duran and Ali.