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Old 09-30-2010, 04:16 PM   #61
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#1. Sugar Ray Robinson
#2. Henry Armstrong
#3. Ezzard Charles
#4. Muhammad Ali
#5. Sugar Ray Leonard
#6. Willie Pep
#7. Henry Greb
#8. Sam Langford
#9. Benny Leonard
#10. Julio Cesar Chavez
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Old 09-30-2010, 04:20 PM   #62
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Seeing Ray Leonard above Sam Langford makes me want to cry.
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Old 09-30-2010, 04:44 PM   #63
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Seeing Ray Leonard above Sam Langford makes me want to cry.
I cried when you rated Mayweather over Napoles. Intensely.
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Old 09-30-2010, 05:20 PM   #64
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1. Harry Greb
2. Sam Langford
3. Ray Robinson
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Ezzard Charles
6. Bob Fitzsimmons
7. Willie Pep
8. Roberto Duran
9. Benny Leonard
10. Archie Moore
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Old 09-30-2010, 05:38 PM   #65
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Is it? Thank you, but next time a real sentence would be nice.

Anyway - I don't know why some people put so much stock in 'Hagler would've eaten Fitzsimmons' - I'm sure Henry VIII would find it hard ruling a England today, but you judge what he did for his time.
Well if your judging by what he did in his time then surely Manny Pacquiao should be in the top ten? The fact of the matter is that Fitz didn't fight in a great era, and although he dominated it the sport he was fighting in was vastly different to the sport Robinson, Hagler and Armstrong fought in.

You can't isolate era's, guys who fought in great eras will be rated higher it goes without saying. The Klitschkos have dominated the heavies like few others have but you won't find them on many top 10 heavyweights list. Fitzimmons three weight triumphs are impressive, but the competition he fought to get them doesn't compare to the rest of the top 10 i'm afraid.
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Old 09-30-2010, 05:44 PM   #66
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I don't think Jofre should be in there; he is one who tends to get overrated on lists like these. Ray Leonard, too... He's got great individual wins but a fighter like Tony Canzoneri was in a much tougher situation, what with fighting eight times a year.

Arguello, Chavez, Leonard, Napoles, Hearns, Saddler and Monzon would probably fill out my top twenty five.

I find Wilde & Walcott hard to rate. Same with modern day fighters, I'll give it a few years and look back properly.
With P4P , I first look at quality of opposition ,whether there were wins in different divisions, longevity, dominance.I mentioned Jofre ,because I think he dominated his division.I would put Loughran above Hearns,Napoles,and Arguello.
Saddler above Arguello.SRL beat Benitez,Hearns Hagler ,and Duran, that should be enough to get him in , imo.But who do you leave out to make way for him?
I didn't even put Louis in there, it's very hard to make a definitive list when there are so many that can make a rational case for themselves.
Whitaker,Chavez,Mayweather?
I don't have the luxury of ",a few years", so this will have to do.
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Old 09-30-2010, 06:26 PM   #67
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If it weren't for stop watches I'm sure some would argue Jessie Owens the greatest fastest sprinter of all time. Even with stop watches Janitor trys to argue he's faster
What you and Pachilles are doing is "H2H Greatest" P4P lists. It's altogether different than . They are too speculative and are more or less fallacious.

Who are the greatest ten fighters in your opinion based on their experience and accomplishments?
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Old 09-30-2010, 06:28 PM   #68
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Well if your judging by what he did in his time then surely Manny Pacquiao should be in the top ten? The fact of the matter is that Fitz didn't fight in a great era, and although he dominated it the sport he was fighting in was vastly different to the sport Robinson, Hagler and Armstrong fought in.

You can't isolate era's, guys who fought in great eras will be rated higher it goes without saying. The Klitschkos have dominated the heavies like few others have but you won't find them on many top 10 heavyweights list. Fitzimmons three weight triumphs are impressive, but the competition he fought to get them doesn't compare to the rest of the top 10 i'm afraid.
ricardoparker93, truth of a ****ing prophet and the mind of a ****ing scientist. Well said.
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Old 02-22-2011, 01:15 PM   #69
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1. robinson
2. armstrong
3. greb
4. charles

5. langford
6. fitzsimmons

7. duran
8. b leonard
9. pep
10. ross

benny leonard, pep, duran and ross give me fits trying to order them.

also, i find it pretty difficult grappling with greb's and fitzsimmons' (and langford's to a lesser extent) resumes without film to back them up... just how do you know when you're imagining a set of circumstances in the right way if you can't see it unfolding before your very eyes?

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Old 02-22-2011, 02:16 PM   #70
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Greb
Armstrong
Langford
Robinson
Charles
Fitzsimmons
Leonard
Pep
Ross
Walcott
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