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Old 11-01-2007, 06:02 AM   #1
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Default Who ranks higher at Heavyweight ,Walcott or Charles>

Given that these two are historically connected,which of them is the greater Heavyweight ,?and why?
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Old 11-01-2007, 06:12 AM   #2
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Default Re: Who ranks higher at Heavyweight ,Walcott or Charles>

I have Charles at #17, Jersey Joe at #22....

Like in their series of fights little seperates them. It is just Charles is talked about a lot, indeed possible too much; while Walcott perhaps not enough. His story was arguable greater than Braddock's.
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Old 11-01-2007, 06:51 AM   #3
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I would tend to rate Walcott higher because his overall body of work at heavyweight was deeper. He esentialy cleaned out the division to get a shot at Louis's title.

I have no problem with anybody rating Charles higher though.
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Old 11-01-2007, 07:02 AM   #4
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The lines between light heavy and heavy were blurred in the 1940's and 1950's.

Head to head vs the field, I think Walcott is a little better because he could do more in the ring. Walcott had more size, defense, power, and very good countering / feint ability. Charles to me was a brawler type who would not do as well vs the bigger heavies that began to emerge from Liston to present because he liked to mix it up more so than box from the outside. Head to head, Walcott got the better of Charles in the series because he scored the only KO.

However, if we are talking a resume of wins, I think Charles edges him. Charles was a more consistent of a fighter in his prime.
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Old 11-01-2007, 09:35 AM   #5
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Default Re: Who ranks higher at Heavyweight ,Walcott or Charles>

This is an extremely hard question and i go back and forth on it over time. I always rank them next to each other. They went 2-2 against each other (though Charles won the 4th according to some observers). Both gave Marciano a tough fight in their first attempt and an easy win in their second attempt. Both beat a lot of contenders of their era. Both did great against Louis. I think i'd rank them something like 11th/12th.
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Old 11-01-2007, 09:40 AM   #6
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Walcotts victims rankings.

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Old 11-01-2007, 09:59 AM   #7
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The same treatment for Charles

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Old 11-01-2007, 10:13 AM   #8
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Default Re: Who ranks higher at Heavyweight ,Walcott or Charles>

Based on the above analysis I would say in general terms that Walcott did a more thourough job on the division of that era.
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Old 11-01-2007, 10:43 AM   #9
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I'd rate Walcott higher, but not by much. Walcott is around #18 on my All-time list. Charles borderline Top 20, but not quite.
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Old 11-09-2007, 05:06 PM   #10
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Default Re: Who ranks higher at Heavyweight ,Walcott or Charles>

This is a really difficult one, Walcott was in his prime as q heavyweight and was one of the best of his era. He come up against 2 of the best heavies ever and did well against them, although Louis wasn't peak then. Charles was better p4p (in my opinion), one of the very best ever, but not in his prime at this weight, but still managed to do well at the higher weight, though he was never as effective there as at 175. If I have to pick I pick Charles, but it's so close. Like I said, even though not his best weight, he still did enough at heavy to get my nod here, and his p4p skills just outweigh other factors.
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Old 11-10-2007, 11:58 AM   #11
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I regard Walcott higher as a heavyweight he beat more ranked more fighters there he cleaned up the division as a contender, although Charles did make more title defences so it is close but I gotta go with Walcott.
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Old 11-10-2007, 12:53 PM   #12
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I give Walcott the edge because of the clean KO over Charles, the 4 KDs over Louis, the KD over Marciano but they are close to the top 10, 10 and 11 or so or 9 and 11
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Old 11-10-2007, 02:48 PM   #13
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Charles really had the better of their series but I can still see why some pick Walcott.
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Old 11-10-2007, 07:44 PM   #14
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As Janitor pointed out, Walcott did a bit better in the HW division, so perhaps the nod should go to him. I think the two are very close, however - probably around 11 - 15.
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Old 11-10-2007, 07:53 PM   #15
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Charles. He beat Walcott twice and, from what I hear, was robbed in their fourth fight. Walcott landed a good shot on Charles, but Charles had him in the skills department. Charles beat Louis convincingly, and he gave Marciano an excellent fight.
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