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Goodhill · 12-02-2010, 10:32 AM

I think that Ward has earned the right for a home-fight against AA (Ward´s the champ, he´s undeafeated in the tournament). AA has lost 2 fights and to be frank his only chance against Ward is KO -victory any how.

The final bout (Froch - Ward most probable) should be in neutral venue.

Govanmauler · 12-02-2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodhill

I think that Ward has earned the right for a home-fight against AA (Ward´s the champ, he´s undeafeated in the tournament). AA has lost 2 fights and to be frank his only chance against Ward is KO -victory any how.

The final bout (Froch - Ward most probable) should be in neutral venue.

If this was a stand alone fight then fair enough that argument would hold

but its not, its a tourney where everyone is supposed to fight roughly half and half home and away , everyone else did it , Ward has had EVERY fight at home

VanillaKilla · 12-02-2010, 10:37 AM

guys.... what would jesus do?

Jepster · 12-02-2010, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodhill

I think that Ward has earned the right for a home-fight against AA (Ward´s the champ, he´s undeafeated in the tournament). AA has lost 2 fights and to be frank his only chance against Ward is KO -victory any how.

The final bout (Froch - Ward most probable) should be in neutral venue.

Brilliantly sidestepping the fact that Kessler when he was the champ went to Wards hometown to defend his belt aren't you? Also conveniently ignoring the fact that Froch defended his world title in Denmark?

It's about being fair towards the other contestants who all have fought away from home.

Ward hasn't earned the right to fight Abraham at home. Not by a longshot.

conraddobler · 12-02-2010, 10:38 AM

Can I point something out?

Lets examine the first three fights of the Super 6 and where they were:

Taylor versus Abraham -- Germany

Froch versus Dirrell -- Nottingham

Kessler versus Ward -- Oakland

It seems to me that the reason Kessler fought in Oakland is because the other two Americans fought away and it would be unseemly if all three European fighters fought at home.

Wards' second fight: Allan Green. In Oakland. Sorry, but Allan Green was late entry with zero following.

So, we're left with a complaint that Ward fought Kessler in Oakland.

Suppose it had been otherwise. Suppose Ward, Dirrell, and Taylor had all fought in Europe for the first round of the Super 6.

Would that seem right to you? (No doubt it would because the "Ward-deniers" are not the most rational bunch)

Elvizzz · 12-02-2010, 10:40 AM

Jesus would turn the other cheek....

Ward will only cheat.....

Govanmauler · 12-02-2010, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by conraddobler

Can I point something out?

Lets examine the first three fights of the Super 6 and where they were:

Taylor versus Abraham -- Germany

Froch versus Dirrell -- Nottingham

Kessler versus Ward -- Oakland

It seems to me that the reason Kessler fought in Oakland is because the other two Americans fought away and it would be unseemly if all three European fighters fought at home.

Wards' second fight: Allan Green. In Oakland. Sorry, but Allan Green was late entry with zero following.

So, we're left with a complaint that Ward fought Kessler in Oakland.

Suppose it had been otherwise. Suppose Ward, Dirrell, and Taylor had all fought in Europe for the first round of the Super 6.

Would that seem right to you? (No doubt it would because the "Ward-deniers" are not the most rational bunch)

So long as Taylor , Dirrel and Ward all got their next fights in the US then yes it would have been perfectly fair

But I guess a Ward apologist cant get his head round: 1 fight away , 1 fight at home , 1 fight away , 1 fight at home etc etc .....

VanillaKilla · 12-02-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by conraddobler

Can I point something out?

Lets examine the first three fights of the Super 6 and where they were:

Taylor versus Abraham -- Germany

Froch versus Dirrell -- Nottingham

Kessler versus Ward -- Oakland

It seems to me that the reason Kessler fought in Oakland is because the other two Americans fought away and it would be unseemly if all three European fighters fought at home.

Wards' second fight: Allan Green. In Oakland. Sorry, but Allan Green was late entry with zero following.

So, we're left with a complaint that Ward fought Kessler in Oakland.

Suppose it had been otherwise. Suppose Ward, Dirrell, and Taylor had all fought in Europe for the first round of the Super 6.

Would that seem right to you? (No doubt it would because the "Ward-deniers" are not the most rational bunch)

So its wrong for the first 3 fights to be in europe

but its ok for ward to have ALL 3 of HIS fights in oakland

Jepster · 12-02-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by conraddobler

Can I point something out?

Lets examine the first three fights of the Super 6 and where they were:

Taylor versus Abraham -- Germany

Froch versus Dirrell -- Nottingham

Kessler versus Ward -- Oakland

It seems to me that the reason Kessler fought in Oakland is because the other two Americans fought away and it would be unseemly if all three European fighters fought at home.

Wards' second fight: Allan Green. In Oakland. Sorry, but Allan Green was late entry with zero following.

So, we're left with a complaint that Ward fought Kessler in Oakland.

Suppose it had been otherwise. Suppose Ward, Dirrell, and Taylor had all fought in Europe for the first round of the Super 6.

Would that seem right to you? (No doubt it would because the "Ward-deniers" are not the most rational bunch)

Suppose you stop making up your own rules and acknowledge the fact that Europe is not a country.

For Froch it is absolutely the same to have a fight in Helsinki, Herning or in Oakland. Those are all away fights.

If Say Abraham fought Ward in London it would be a neutral venue because his fans are Germans not Brits.

Elvizzz · 12-02-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by conraddobler

Can I point something out?

Lets examine the first three fights of the Super 6 and where they were:

Taylor versus Abraham -- Germany

Froch versus Dirrell -- Nottingham

Kessler versus Ward -- Oakland

It seems to me that the reason Kessler fought in Oakland is because the other two Americans fought away and it would be unseemly if all three European fighters fought at home.

Wards' second fight: Allan Green. In Oakland. Sorry, but Allan Green was late entry with zero following.

So, we're left with a complaint that Ward fought Kessler in Oakland.

Suppose it had been otherwise. Suppose Ward, Dirrell, and Taylor had all fought in Europe for the first round of the Super 6.

Would that seem right to you? (No doubt it would because the "Ward-deniers" are not the most rational bunch)

Ward - Abraham in Germany

Froch - Johnson in U.S

Seems right to me....

conraddobler · 12-02-2010, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jepster

Suppose you stop making up your own rules and acknowledge the fact that Europe is not a country.

For Froch it is absolutely the same to have a fight in Helsinki, Herning or in Oakland. Those are all away fights.

If Say Abraham fought Ward in London it would be a neutral venue because his fans are Germans not Brits.

Lets get the facts correct.

Froch fought in Nottingham. That is home. Froch lives in England, Nottingham is in England.

Abraham fought in Germany. That is home. Abraham lives in Germany.

Lets be clear on that.

OK. So, if Kessler had fought in Denamrk, then all three Euro fighters would have fought at home in the first fight.

Why would this be unfair?

Because a boxer could get KTFO in the first fight and never return.

Oh, isn't that far-fetched, though!?

Jermain Taylor.

Jermain Taylor. Fights in Germany. KTFO. THE END.

Jermain Taylor gets no home fight. His career is over.

See why it would be unseemly if all European fighters got the first fight at home?

As it is, 2 out of 3 European fighters got their first fight at home. Sounds like a good deal to me, and yet the extraordinary amount of whining persists. The whining is deafening. It hurts my ears. It's sounds like the 17 year return of cicadas, the high frequency shrieking, the sobbing, the wailing and weeping, and cries of foul, the cries of pain and the suffering and agony!

Starched Him · 12-02-2010, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by EL CABALLO

Cintron may be a cry babie or whatever you want to some of u but he's fought Williams (with PW's ref. & judges) and was actually beating Williams convincingly b4 the freak resultS (falling out of the ring & getting a loss dec. in a fight that was stopped b4 the end of the 4th due to an accidental injury??).

Only with PW's ppl.... Anyways, u can't argue is a nice resume of opposition.

you are nuts

2manyusernames · 12-02-2010, 10:52 AM

in 23 fights:

17 have been in his home state of California.
4 have been in other parts of the United States.
2 have been in the Caribbean.

Govanmauler · 12-02-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 2manyusernames

in 23 fights:

17 have been in his home state of California.
4 have been in other parts of the United States.
2 have been in the Caribbean.

That some tasty homecookin alright !

For me , whats happened when they were on their way up is irrelevant . relative fighters drawing power is almost irrelevant. This was supposed to be a fair and open Tourney to decide the best 168er. If one of the enterants is getting home advantage all the way then simply put its cheating !

conraddobler · 12-02-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Elvizzz

Ward - Abraham in Germany

Froch - Johnson in U.S

Seems right to me....

I agree with you there 100%.

But since Showtime makes the rules, and the rules seem to say that the semi-finals and finals will be in Vegas, that we will not get our wish.

12-02-2010, 10:32 AM	#1006
Goodhill Iron Horse - born to lose ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 1,763 vCash: 75	Re: Andre Ward: “I think I’ve earned the right to fight at home" I think that Ward has earned the right for a home-fight against AA (Ward´s the champ, he´s undeafeated in the tournament). AA has lost 2 fights and to be frank his only chance against Ward is KO -victory any how. The final bout (Froch - Ward most probable) should be in neutral venue.
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12-02-2010, 10:37 AM	#1008
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12-02-2010, 10:38 AM	#1010
conraddobler Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,417 vCash: 1847	Re: Andre Ward: “I think I’ve earned the right to fight at home" Can I point something out? Lets examine the first three fights of the Super 6 and where they were: Taylor versus Abraham -- Germany Froch versus Dirrell -- Nottingham Kessler versus Ward -- Oakland It seems to me that the reason Kessler fought in Oakland is because the other two Americans fought away and it would be unseemly if all three European fighters fought at home. Wards' second fight: Allan Green. In Oakland. Sorry, but Allan Green was late entry with zero following. So, we're left with a complaint that Ward fought Kessler in Oakland. Suppose it had been otherwise. Suppose Ward, Dirrell, and Taylor had all fought in Europe for the first round of the Super 6. Would that seem right to you? (No doubt it would because the "Ward-deniers" are not the most rational bunch)
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12-02-2010, 10:40 AM	#1011
Elvizzz Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 903 vCash: 1000	Re: Andre Ward: “I think I’ve earned the right to fight at home" Jesus would turn the other cheek.... Ward will only cheat.....
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12-02-2010, 10:52 AM	#1018
2manyusernames GTMSBT Gold Member East Side Guru Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 7,991 vCash: 761	Re: Andre Ward: “I think I’ve earned the right to fight at home" in 23 fights: 17 have been in his home state of California. 4 have been in other parts of the United States. 2 have been in the Caribbean.
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