Was vitali really good? Or briggs really bad? and does haye beat vitali - Page 2

White Tiger · 10-17-2010, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Beeston Brawler

The main thing that convinces me that Haye will win is that he won't just stand there in front of Vitlay throughout the fight.

It's no co-incidence that his three best comeback performances have been against Peter, Arreola and Briggs - all seemingly flat footed, not giving any angles, fairly low output etc etc..... contrast that to Gomez, Johnson and to a lesser extent Sosnowski - all moved and offered a little something - well Johnson offered a clean pair of heels

The problem is that there isn't a fighter with the stones to really go out there and take it to Vitlay - the one time he's been in a genuine tear up he lost. He looks brilliant when he's allowed to dictate both the pace of the contest and the range..... teeing off on Peter and Arreola, looked pretty sick.

Haye wont either.

He ran all night from Valuev for Gods Sake.

He will be terrified of Vitali.

Beeston Brawler · 10-17-2010, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by D-MAC

Corrie Sanders had a go as well, and had Vitali in a bit of trouble at one point.

Yes.... I forgot Sanders - hurt him a couple of times and put him down.

It was a smart plan, not too dissimilar to how I'd like Haye to fight him, subject to Haye getting in there with him.

He's not as fast or agile as he used to be and is bound to be easier to time too, if David can get the right hand in there often enough.... with the combination of his speed he can certainly hurt Klitschko.

The one thing that would concern me with Haye is his average stamina - he'd need his legs in this one and won't get away with lapses in concentration that he was able to do against Valuev and Ruiz.

p.Townend · 10-17-2010, 09:25 AM

Haye wont be able to take the punches as well as a man briggs size.He is going to have to be really fast and pretty much avoid the right hand alltogether.Vittali did seem to be getting a bit tired at some points last night but I just think he is too much for Haye and wins by stoppage.

TFFP · 10-17-2010, 10:31 AM

Uhm course Briggs was bad...? How could anyone look at that and believe he wasn't bad? He's 39 years old, and he hasn't aged well because of asthma and inactivity, he also weighed 260lbs compared to his prime weight of 230. He basically stood there all night with no movement, and after about 5 rounds he was too tired to properly defend himself. He was a sitting duck and a bigger puncher would have sparked him. Haye would have sparked him, so would Wlad. I'm not that impressed by Vitali throwing right hand after right hand against a guy with literally no defence and no movement, that isn't hard, a heavy bag is a more evasive target, at least it moves forward and back.

Vitali did the job well but there was nothing overly impressive about it considering the state of Briggs, if anything he should have KO'd the guy.

Primadonna Kool · 10-17-2010, 10:44 AM

Shannon Briggs is better than anyone David Haye has faced at Heavyweight. David Haye would be throwing 5 punches a round VS Shannon Briggs.....

BodyBlaster · 10-17-2010, 10:58 AM

Vitali looks awkward and even off balance at times, but he is accurate and when such a big man is accurate from range its so difficult to do anything but get stuck outside and eat shots, especially when inside he doesnt let you work, he just ties you up.
I saw enough last night, even against someone as poor as Briggs was, to think he beats Haye handily.

Primadonna Kool · 10-17-2010, 11:00 AM

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux0OlgvoGWk&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

I've just seen this interview, and i take my statements above back..

David Haye would spark the fat bell-end out.

Shannon Briggs lost this fight in training Camp. Because he was to interested in being a fat bell-end......

Shannon Briggs is in hospital, i do hope he's ok to be honest.

Scotty321 · 10-17-2010, 11:07 AM

Haye will have moments of success but thats not enough. You need to stand up to Vitali but Haye is not big enough and doesn't throw enough to take Vitali out his comfort zone. Vitali will KO him late once he has demoralized Haye.

Scotty321 · 10-17-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Primadonna Kool

I've just seen this interview, and i take my statements above back..

David Haye would spark the fat bell-end out.

Shannon Briggs lost this fight in training Camp. Because he was to interested in being a fat bell-end......

Shannon Briggs is in hospital, i do hope he's ok to be honest.

I'm reading he has multiple fractures all over his face. I hope his corner is happy..

gooners!! · 10-17-2010, 11:10 AM

Problem Briggs had, is that he was trying to draw VK into committing himself so he could counter, but that dictates that you draw VK into mid range, but here is the thing, anyone who watches the Klits, should know that they rarely ever concede long range, so you chances to counter and going to be few and far between, which is the kinda thing that will effect your output, the other side to that, is that it allow VK to establish a rhythm, build a momentum of pressure that starts to take its toll.

I willing to give VK the benefit of the doubt myself, he is almost 40 himself, so to perform like that, is impressive imo.

ero-sennin · 10-17-2010, 11:56 AM

Look at this video. What the fuck was the ref and Briggs corner thinking? It was horrible, the way they allwoed him to take that kind of punishment. Let's hope he's okay.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJCkl_OIVIM&feature=related[/ame]

antcull · 10-17-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ero-sennin

Look at this video. What the fuck was the ref and Briggs corner thinking? It was horrible, the way they allwoed him to take that kind of punishment. Let's hope he's okay.

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Did Vitali even miss one shot during that round?

Pretty horrible mismatch, unfortunately the next 2 HW title fights are pretty much the same. Onwards to 2011 and hopefully at least one meaningful HW fight.

wrimc · 10-17-2010, 12:13 PM

This is the thing Vitali's stamina isnt what it was. He couldnt put the shots together to finish Briggs when he was obviously ripe for the taking. there were a fair few times where a sustained barrage would have forced the ref to step in

Primadonna Kool · 10-17-2010, 12:16 PM

Why did Briggs come in at 260 though..? Why was he content with being a whale..??

Fair play to him, he was brave. But the man has so much more ability, and he pissed it down the drain with his ill preperations.

BoxingFanNo1 · 10-17-2010, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Ben'

Yes to every answer.

.....and no to every question?

10-17-2010, 09:25 AM	#18
p.Townend Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dewsbury Posts: 8,391 vCash: 100	Re: Was vitali really good? Or briggs really bad? and does haye beat vitali Haye wont be able to take the punches as well as a man briggs size.He is going to have to be really fast and pretty much avoid the right hand alltogether.Vittali did seem to be getting a bit tired at some points last night but I just think he is too much for Haye and wins by stoppage.
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10-17-2010, 10:31 AM	#19
TFFP The Eskimo East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Reykjavík Posts: 30,420 vCash: 2500	Re: Was vitali really good? Or briggs really bad? and does haye beat vitali Uhm course Briggs was bad...? How could anyone look at that and believe he wasn't bad? He's 39 years old, and he hasn't aged well because of asthma and inactivity, he also weighed 260lbs compared to his prime weight of 230. He basically stood there all night with no movement, and after about 5 rounds he was too tired to properly defend himself. He was a sitting duck and a bigger puncher would have sparked him. Haye would have sparked him, so would Wlad. I'm not that impressed by Vitali throwing right hand after right hand against a guy with literally no defence and no movement, that isn't hard, a heavy bag is a more evasive target, at least it moves forward and back. Vitali did the job well but there was nothing overly impressive about it considering the state of Briggs, if anything he should have KO'd the guy.
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10-17-2010, 10:44 AM	#20
Primadonna Kool P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 16,554 vCash: 1000	Re: Was vitali really good? Or briggs really bad? and does haye beat vitali Shannon Briggs is better than anyone David Haye has faced at Heavyweight. David Haye would be throwing 5 punches a round VS Shannon Briggs.....
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10-17-2010, 10:58 AM	#21
BodyBlaster Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,189 vCash: 1090	Re: Was vitali really good? Or briggs really bad? and does haye beat vitali Vitali looks awkward and even off balance at times, but he is accurate and when such a big man is accurate from range its so difficult to do anything but get stuck outside and eat shots, especially when inside he doesnt let you work, he just ties you up. I saw enough last night, even against someone as poor as Briggs was, to think he beats Haye handily.
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10-17-2010, 11:00 AM	#22
Primadonna Kool P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 16,554 vCash: 1000	Re: Was vitali really good? Or briggs really bad? and does haye beat vitali [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux0OlgvoGWk&feature=player_embedded[/ame] I've just seen this interview, and i take my statements above back.. David Haye would spark the fat bell-end out. Shannon Briggs lost this fight in training Camp. Because he was to interested in being a fat bell-end...... Shannon Briggs is in hospital, i do hope he's ok to be honest.
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10-17-2010, 11:07 AM	#23
Scotty321 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 7,089 vCash: 1000	Re: Was vitali really good? Or briggs really bad? and does haye beat vitali Haye will have moments of success but thats not enough. You need to stand up to Vitali but Haye is not big enough and doesn't throw enough to take Vitali out his comfort zone. Vitali will KO him late once he has demoralized Haye.
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10-17-2010, 11:10 AM	#25
gooners!! James 'A-Force' Degale East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Posts: 5,476 vCash: 1000	Re: Was vitali really good? Or briggs really bad? and does haye beat vitali Problem Briggs had, is that he was trying to draw VK into committing himself so he could counter, but that dictates that you draw VK into mid range, but here is the thing, anyone who watches the Klits, should know that they rarely ever concede long range, so you chances to counter and going to be few and far between, which is the kinda thing that will effect your output, the other side to that, is that it allow VK to establish a rhythm, build a momentum of pressure that starts to take its toll. I willing to give VK the benefit of the doubt myself, he is almost 40 himself, so to perform like that, is impressive imo.
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10-17-2010, 11:56 AM	#26
ero-sennin Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,760 vCash: 1000	Re: Was vitali really good? Or briggs really bad? and does haye beat vitali Look at this video. What the fuck was the ref and Briggs corner thinking? It was horrible, the way they allwoed him to take that kind of punishment. Let's hope he's okay. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJCkl_OIVIM&feature=related[/ame]
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10-17-2010, 12:13 PM	#28
wrimc Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Liverpool Posts: 6,314 vCash: 1000	Re: Was vitali really good? Or briggs really bad? and does haye beat vitali This is the thing Vitali's stamina isnt what it was. He couldnt put the shots together to finish Briggs when he was obviously ripe for the taking. there were a fair few times where a sustained barrage would have forced the ref to step in
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10-17-2010, 12:16 PM	#29
Primadonna Kool P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 16,554 vCash: 1000	Re: Was vitali really good? Or briggs really bad? and does haye beat vitali Why did Briggs come in at 260 though..? Why was he content with being a whale..?? Fair play to him, he was brave. But the man has so much more ability, and he pissed it down the drain with his ill preperations.
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