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Old 11-04-2007, 07:38 AM   #61
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They don't like each other. Honestly, if they met and had any serious conversation for any length of time, they would end up beating the piss out of each other.
Were they? They looked relatively friendly in Champions Forever, although they were the only two that could still speak. Foreman did say "Thank God!" when the host said to Foreman and Holmes "You two never fought". Foreman was full of shit most of the time, but that statement was pretty truthful.
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Old 11-04-2007, 08:54 AM   #62
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Mate, it was an awesome peice that one. Do you know Paul Hogan Bill? Legendary Aussie comedian before Croc Dundee. Had his own show, side splitting stuff. One of his facades was Leo Wanker, and it fit like a key in this case lol
No, but when I saw Leo Wanker it caught me off guard.
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Old 11-04-2007, 08:56 AM   #63
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Were they? They looked relatively friendly in Champions Forever, although they were the only two that could still speak. Foreman did say "Thank God!" when the host said to Foreman and Holmes "You two never fought". Foreman was full of shit most of the time, but that statement was pretty truthful.
Well of course they looked friendly towards each other in champions forever. They were getting payed money to sit down, behave, and honor each other in a relaxed enviorment. If George and Larry had any debate over something serious they would in the end, probably beat the hell out of each other, and not in the ring.
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:05 AM   #64
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No, but when I saw Leo Wanker it caught me off guard.
Hoges is just classic mate.
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:06 AM   #65
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They had a rematch, and Larry KO'd him with a bute of a right hand. Also, Larry-Coetzee came damn close. Larry even has a poster of the fight that almost happend in the gym. It says I think June 9th, 1984. It has a picture of Larry jabbing at Coetzee, and Coetzee jabbing back. Same style as the Holmes-Cooney poster.
The rematch did not occur when 19-9 Weaver coming off a close, scary fight for Holmes won the other title and Holmes refused to unify, Weaver clammered for a rematch, Holmes fought softer competition, at the end of there careers when Weaver was completly shot a journeyman, they fought again but when Weaver was at his best(gaining confidence from his fight with Holmes, Holmes avoided him
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Here's some classic Hoges for ya Bill

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Here's Leo Wanker Bill lmao

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Old 11-04-2007, 12:53 PM   #68
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The rematch did not occur when 19-9 Weaver coming off a close, scary fight for Holmes won the other title and Holmes refused to unify, Weaver clammered for a rematch, Holmes fought softer competition, at the end of there careers when Weaver was completly shot a journeyman, they fought again but when Weaver was at his best(gaining confidence from his fight with Holmes, Holmes avoided him
No, but the rematch did occur doing the boxinglegends championship which Larry won. Earnie Shavers isn't softer comp. Holmes refused to unify? Did anyone else unfiy their titles? Between the WBA and the WBO? Or was that Holmes's fault to, because he was the best out there by an absolute mile, even more.
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Old 11-04-2007, 02:32 PM   #69
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I would have liked to see what would happen if Peter Jackson and John L Sulivin fought.
It would have had a huge impact on history.
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Old 11-04-2007, 02:52 PM   #70
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Some to come to mind:

Jim Jeffries vs Jack Johnson in 1905. Jeffries at his peak, Johnson close to his. Would be a great fight and with the knowledge we have now, a best win on either's resume.

George Foreman vs Jerry Quarry anywhere between 1971-1973. Quarry was at his best against big, slower punchers although he'd probably be outgunned here. Still, could be one hell of a fight.

Ike Ibeabuchi vs Lennox Lewis in 1999 or 2000. I think Ibeabuchi had a bit of a leaky defense but he was incredibly talented and had a good chin, technique and power to go with that.

Wladimir Klitschko vs Lennox Lewis in 2001 or 2002. Wlad hadn't yet reached his peak as a fighter, but offensively he was extremely skilled, fast and powerful. Would be in big trouble if Lewis lands something big as he hadn't really learnt how to deal with being hurt yet, but a great fight anyway.

Jimmy Young vs Larry Holmes somewhere between '76 and '77. Young declined hard after '78, but a win over Young in '77 may well have been Holmes' career biggest win. Could be a rather boring fight, but interesting from a "who beats who" and chess match point of view.

Marvin Hagler vs Michael Spinks in 1983. Interesting to see how Hagler would deal with the disadvantages and how his chin holds up.

Larry Holmes vs George Foreman before Young got to him, somewhere '76 and '77.
Larry Holmes vs Pinklon Thomas around '83, '84 or '85 when Thomas was at his peak with a one-punch knockout over Weaver. I think it would be interesting to see how Holmes deals with Thomas's great jab and vice-versa.

Larry Holmes vs Tim Witherspoon II right after their first match. It would be interesting to see whether Holmes could go to the drawing board and figure Witherspoon out or whether it would turn out to be like Norton was to Ali.

Roy Jones vs Bernard Hopkins II anywhere in the 90's basically. Hopkins pretty much priced himself out of it and Jones had nothing to prove as he comfortably beat him already, but Hopkins did improve somewhat and Jones was having a lot of easy fights. Despite their boring first fight, i would've love to see this rematch.

Joe Louis vs Elmer Ray in 1946 or 47. He was the #1 and #2 contender when Louis was on the tour. Would be great to see.

Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson in 1996. Tyson dropped his belt to avoid Lewis when Lewis was the mandatory for his WBC belt. He fought a rematch with McCall for the vacant WBC title and needed that rematch, but a fight with Tyson would've been great. Some people like to pretend that Tyson was "shot" when he fought Holyfield, but i think he was still a great fighter. Against Bruno in 1996 he showed great speed, power, head movement, the whole package.

George Foreman vs Muhammad Ali II somewhere in '76-'77, when Foreman was the mandatory. Would be interesting to see if he could redeem himself.
Great selection of "what if" fights. My picks in each:
Jeffries-Johnson (1905)-Johnson by a decision. No knockdowns, in fact Jeffries wouldnt have taken a backward step, but Johnson would be too tricky for him.
George Foreman-Jerry Quarry-Foreman by a tko in 3. A badly cut eye would be the reason. Quarry would land some stiff punches, but Foreman would take them well and maul Quarry, cutting the Irishman's eye in the second. It would get cut worse in the 3rd, causing the ref to stop it. No knockdowns, however.
Ike Ibeabuchi-Lennox Lewis-Lewis by a close, but deserved unanimous decision. No knockdowns scored, but both men wobbled. Lewis is in his careful, boxer mode ala Holyfield 1 & 2.
Wladimir Klitschko-Lennox Lewis-Lewis by a 3 knockdown tko in round 4.
Jimmy Young-Larry Holmes-Holmes by a decision, and not a disputed decision like Ali-Young. Holmes had more pop on his punches than Ali, and could be much sharper on occasion. This would be one of those occasions, but Young would never be hurt badly, and of course, there would be no knockdowns. Holmes' brilliant jab would be the key to his victory, even against a slippery fellow like Young.
Marvin Hagler-Michael Spinks-Neither man could dent the chin of the other, and this fight would be scored as a draw, to be disputed on both sides. Neither man would look their best in this one because of their styles negating each other.
Larry Holmes-George Foreman-Foreman scores an early flash knockdown that really wakes up Holmes, and Holmes returns the favor in round 9 when stamina issues beset George. Other than that, the fight is a story of Holmes being the matador to Foreman's bull. A decisive 12 round decision for Holmes.
Larry Holmes-Pinklon Thomas-Classic battle of the great left jabs! Holmes' jab is faster and lands the most, more than Thomas' heavier, more "Listonlike" jab. Holmes wins a decision, with a knockdown in the 14th to punctuate the win.
Larry Holmes-Tim Witherspoon (rematch)-A relatively ho-hum affair with a better prepared Holmes winning a run of the mill 15 round decision rather easily like it should have been the first time.
Roy Jones Jr.-Bernard Hopkins-This before the roof fell in on Jones, so I pick him to repeat his triumph over Hopkins, much like Taylor repeated his triumph over Hopkins.
Joe Louis-Elmer Ray-I disqualify myself from predicting this one because I am not familiar with Elmer Ray.
Lennox Lewis-Mike Tyson (1996)-Lewis ko's Tyson in 3 or 4, and not being as sure of himself like he was when they actually met, treats Tyson as a potentially dangerous adversary like he did Razor Ruddock, and really blasts him out of there, scoring a few knockdowns before the end, and fighting with more abandon than he did when they actually fought years later. Lewis takes out Tyson in any era, even in the eighties.
Muhammad Ali-George Foreman(1977)-This one would go the distance, with big George redeeming himself to a degree against a shopworn, overly careful Ali and a smarter fight waged by Foreman. With Gil Clancy in his corner screaming and imploring him to let his hands go, George will make a tactical error by holding back much like Earnie Shavers did when he fought Ali in that same year, and it will cause him a razor-close decision. Ali would get a better fight from Foreman than he did from Shavers, and George would hurt him several times with big punches. And we all know that Ali was the recipient of more than a few gift decisions, well this would be one.
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Old 11-04-2007, 03:38 PM   #71
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No, but the rematch did occur doing the boxinglegends championship which Larry won. Earnie Shavers isn't softer comp. Holmes refused to unify? Did anyone else unfiy their titles? Between the WBA and the WBO? Or was that Holmes's fault to, because he was the best out there by an absolute mile, even more.
Leonard and Hearns unified, Spinks and Qawi, not many more from memory. The titles were the WBC and WBA like Holmes and Weaver. Politics made it difficult but not impossible, as i stated, Holmes and Tate had full intentions of unifyng.
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Old 11-04-2007, 05:32 PM   #72
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Great selection of "what if" fights. My picks in each:
Jeffries-Johnson (1905)-Johnson by a decision. No knockdowns, in fact Jeffries wouldnt have taken a backward step, but Johnson would be too tricky for him.
George Foreman-Jerry Quarry-Foreman by a tko in 3. A badly cut eye would be the reason. Quarry would land some stiff punches, but Foreman would take them well and maul Quarry, cutting the Irishman's eye in the second. It would get cut worse in the 3rd, causing the ref to stop it. No knockdowns, however.
Ike Ibeabuchi-Lennox Lewis-Lewis by a close, but deserved unanimous decision. No knockdowns scored, but both men wobbled. Lewis is in his careful, boxer mode ala Holyfield 1 & 2.
Wladimir Klitschko-Lennox Lewis-Lewis by a 3 knockdown tko in round 4.
Jimmy Young-Larry Holmes-Holmes by a decision, and not a disputed decision like Ali-Young. Holmes had more pop on his punches than Ali, and could be much sharper on occasion. This would be one of those occasions, but Young would never be hurt badly, and of course, there would be no knockdowns. Holmes' brilliant jab would be the key to his victory, even against a slippery fellow like Young.
Marvin Hagler-Michael Spinks-Neither man could dent the chin of the other, and this fight would be scored as a draw, to be disputed on both sides. Neither man would look their best in this one because of their styles negating each other.
Larry Holmes-George Foreman-Foreman scores an early flash knockdown that really wakes up Holmes, and Holmes returns the favor in round 9 when stamina issues beset George. Other than that, the fight is a story of Holmes being the matador to Foreman's bull. A decisive 12 round decision for Holmes.
Larry Holmes-Pinklon Thomas-Classic battle of the great left jabs! Holmes' jab is faster and lands the most, more than Thomas' heavier, more "Listonlike" jab. Holmes wins a decision, with a knockdown in the 14th to punctuate the win.
Larry Holmes-Tim Witherspoon (rematch)-A relatively ho-hum affair with a better prepared Holmes winning a run of the mill 15 round decision rather easily like it should have been the first time.
Roy Jones Jr.-Bernard Hopkins-This before the roof fell in on Jones, so I pick him to repeat his triumph over Hopkins, much like Taylor repeated his triumph over Hopkins.
Joe Louis-Elmer Ray-I disqualify myself from predicting this one because I am not familiar with Elmer Ray.
Lennox Lewis-Mike Tyson (1996)-Lewis ko's Tyson in 3 or 4, and not being as sure of himself like he was when they actually met, treats Tyson as a potentially dangerous adversary like he did Razor Ruddock, and really blasts him out of there, scoring a few knockdowns before the end, and fighting with more abandon than he did when they actually fought years later. Lewis takes out Tyson in any era, even in the eighties.
Muhammad Ali-George Foreman(1977)-This one would go the distance, with big George redeeming himself to a degree against a shopworn, overly careful Ali and a smarter fight waged by Foreman. With Gil Clancy in his corner screaming and imploring him to let his hands go, George will make a tactical error by holding back much like Earnie Shavers did when he fought Ali in that same year, and it will cause him a razor-close decision. Ali would get a better fight from Foreman than he did from Shavers, and George would hurt him several times with big punches. And we all know that Ali was the recipient of more than a few gift decisions, well this would be one.
Great picks Cobra! Interesting assesement on Lewis-Tyson though i don't see it that way. What are your thoughts on a Norton-Lyle fight in 1974-75-76?
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Tony Ayala vs. all the prominent fighters of his day. A war with Duran was imminent. That would have been the most machismo-filled, violent fight ever to happen. That is, for the relatively short time the actual fight would last before Tony prevails and earns the ultimate shot vs. Hagler.
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Old 11-05-2007, 03:13 AM   #74
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Still giggling at Legend's post. Is Larry possibly taking on the new nickname of Leo Wanker?
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:02 AM   #75
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One huge fight that should have hapened but did not is Tommy ryan defending the middleweight title against Barbados Joe Walcott.

That could have been the Hagler Leonard of its day.
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